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 Post subject: Re: 100 Most Technically Skilled Male Rock Vocalists
PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 9:21 am 
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Technique
Breath Support: Tate
Consistency: Tie (Tate gets low chest, Kiske head, and the other 2 are tied)
Endurance: Kiske
Diction: Kiske

Control
Switching: Tie
Runs: Kiske
Blending: Kiske
Pitch: Tie
Vibrato: Kiske
Volume Control: Tate

Power & Range
Projection: Tie
Resonance: Tate
Use of Range: Tie (Tate uses low end better, Kiske uses highi end better)
Sustain: Kiske

Versatility
Technical Versatility: Kiske
Tonal Versatility: Kiske
Stylistic Versatility: Kiske


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Most Technically Skilled Male Rock Vocalists
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Technique
Breath Support: Tim
Consistency: Tim
Endurance: Tie
Diction: Freddie

Control
Switching: Freddie
Runs: Freddie
Blending: Tim
Pitch: Tie
Vibrato: Tim
Volume Control: Tie

Power & Range
Projection: Tie (Just like you said, Tim wins the high belts, Freddie wins the mid-high belts
Resonance: Freddie
Use of Range: Tie
Sustain: Tim

Versatility
Technical Versatility: Tie
Tonal Versatility: Tie
Stylistic Versatility: Freddie

By this they are completely tied...


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Most Technically Skilled Male Rock Vocalists
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Timitzii wrote:
Great breakdown, Ikon, I agree with most of the parts there. :cool:

Late response to my Finnish friend :wink:

Serj shouldn't be on because he barely even sings, and usually screams and just talks at a rapid pace (Chop Suey a fine example). And when he sings it really doesn't sound good (completely subjective though). Idk, I just think if people saw his name on the list they'd laugh and disregard this as a serious list.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Most Technically Skilled Male Rock Vocalists
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Wanted Dead Or Alive wrote:
Technique
Breath Support: Tim
Consistency: Tim
Endurance: Tie
Diction: Freddie

Control
Switching: Freddie
Runs: Freddie
Blending: Tim
Pitch: Tie
Vibrato: Tim
Volume Control: Tie

Power & Range
Projection: Tie (Just like you said, Tim wins the high belts, Freddie wins the mid-high belts
Resonance: Freddie
Use of Range: Tie
Sustain: Tim

Versatility
Technical Versatility: Tie
Tonal Versatility: Tie
Stylistic Versatility: Freddie

By this they are completely tied...


I am not giving switching to Freddie.....tie at the very least....also, Tonal versatility - Tim EASILY


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Most Technically Skilled Male Rock Vocalists
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agreed. I'm also not seeing resonance as Freddie's by a LOOONG shot...


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Most Technically Skilled Male Rock Vocalists
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there's no way Freddie takes switching most certainly, I dont think I've ever heard switching like Tim does...its beyond insane.....

also, projection is Buckley's too..... sure Freddie had the midrange belts - but Tim's 5th octave belts > Freddie's 4th octave ones , he just soars up there so effortlessly and hits you like a ton of bricks....


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Most Technically Skilled Male Rock Vocalists
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Yousha wrote:
there's no way Freddie takes switching most certainly, I dont think I've ever heard switching like Tim does...its beyond insane.....

also, projection is Buckley's too..... sure Freddie had the midrange belts - but Tim's 5th octave belts > Freddie's 4th octave ones , he just soars up there so effortlessly and hits you like a ton of bricks....


You can't compare it like that... Any 5th octave note is always more projected than a 4th octave note unless it's the very top of your range when you thin out...

Also, switching is a tie at least for Tim...look at the new formend switching list here! :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Most Technically Skilled Male Rock Vocalists
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what did you just say about 5th octave notes and projection? :facepalm: lol.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Most Technically Skilled Male Rock Vocalists
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So you think you don't naturally get louder when you go higher?


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Most Technically Skilled Male Rock Vocalists
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yes in each register, but the sheer physics of having a larger resonating cavity in chest voice than in head voice, plus my entire experience with being a vocalist in a lot of different forms says otherwise....


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Most Technically Skilled Male Rock Vocalists
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yes in each register, but the sheer physics of having a larger resonating cavity in chest voice than in head voice, plus my entire experience with being a vocalist in a lot of different forms says otherwise....


Wait, you are saying that you practically have a bigger, more resonant voice in chest, just like I knew... It seems I don't understand projection completely..I always thought it's about pushing your voice with greater intesity so naturally the better projected voice are louder than worse projected ones...


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Most Technically Skilled Male Rock Vocalists
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well, thats kind of an oxymoron.... If you're pushing, its not really natural... Thats projection... You know like when you blow across the top of a bottle to make a note, and you gotta get the angle right so it resonates loud enough to be worth doing? Well, essentially you're doing the same thing so its pretty much just technique to use whichever resonating cavity you're using to it's full potential.. your chest cavities amount to a lot more than your facial ones so naturally your chest voice is a lot more resonant and booming.
Head voices are almost always more projection, except Freddie LOL.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Most Technically Skilled Male Rock Vocalists
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So, if you guys now think Tim should get resonance and switching then he would win, because it was tied before any changes could be made. I'll wait for others to chime in on those criterion because I couldn't really attest to these claims for lack of having heard much T. Buck.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Most Technically Skilled Male Rock Vocalists
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fair enough man brotha.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Most Technically Skilled Male Rock Vocalists
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I would move on to Fred v. Lambert but I'm getting a strong premonition that Mint still has something to say about T. Buck v. Merc. :lol:


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