The Greatest Artists Of Hard Rock

pauldrach · **Posted:** Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:04 pm

gminer wrote:

I know the rock guitar music of that era as well ... and the "hard rock" tunes that were released that year on a number of rock and psychedelic rock albums by the artists you mentioned and I would have purchased back in those days.... and DP introducing classical progressions and scales with a level of speed and complexity into live hard rock music or in the studio was innovative and new at the time as was the term hard rock or heavy rock, moving onto heavy hard rock etc ... Take care

As I said I would give Purple major influence on any progressive hard rock styles but I'd say Van Halen influenced styles that became bigger than what Purple influenced. I'm not denying that Purple was a very influential band. That's partly why they're as high as #7.

pauldrach · **Posted:** Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:11 pm

gminer wrote:

pauldrach wrote:

Nevertheless influence on a bigger genre should get a bigger weighting than influence on a less visible genre.

I suppose that fellow David Coverdale from Deep Purple later with his band Whitesnake, had little or know influence in this wonderful genre called hair metal .... this is all attributed to VH ... Take care

It should not all be attributed to Van Halen of course but Van Halen were far more visible during the formative years of glam metal than Whitesnake, who didn't achieve mainstream appeal in the US until the mid-80s. Also compare pictures of Van Halen and Whitesnake in 1978. VH are already much closer to the visual style of glam while Whitesnake look like your stereotypical hard rock act.

pauldrach · **Posted:** Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:17 pm

ClashWho wrote:

"Hymn 43" and "Locomotive Breath" aren't hard rock?

I wouldn't call "Hymn 43" or "Locomotive Breath" guitar-driven. Both have hard rock undertones but they're not pure hard rock.

ClashWho wrote:

"Aqualung" has its gentle passages, but its hallmark riff is heavy as fuck and it features a killer guitar solo.

It's partly hard rock. I wouldn't even call the solo hard rock. Would you call Santana hard rock, too?

pauldrach · **Posted:** Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:20 pm

dmille wrote:

pauldrach wrote:

dmille wrote:

1968 was the beginning.

So, "You Really Got Me" or "My Generation" are not hard rock then? "Break On Through (To the Other Side)"? "Purple Haze"?

I am talking about hard rock as a fully defined genre separate from rock & roll or rock.

What are you talking about? How is hard rock even today a genre separate from rock & roll or rock? How is 1968 hard rock more separate from other rock music than 1967 or 1966 hard rock?

Negative Creep · **Joined:** Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:21 pm **Posts:** 13572

Negative Creep wrote:

21. Rush
22. The Stooges
23. Rage Against The Machine
24. Def Leppard
25. Boston

All in favor?

pauldrach · **Posted:** Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:24 pm

Negative Creep wrote:

Herbs,
I thought about King Crimson, but overall their hard rock output is minimal at best. Schizoid Man is a great choice, but they only have a small handful of songs that could truly be 'hard rock'.

I still think we're a little consistent with this. We currently don't have any clear line to separate bands we consider and bands we don't consider. You could easily make a case for including the likes of The Rolling Stones, The Beatles, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, Pink Floyd, etc. if we're including The Doors and The Kinks. It's actually what Clash does all the time.

EDIT: I meant to say inconsistent of course.

pauldrach · **Posted:** Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:28 pm

Negative Creep wrote:

21. Rush
22. The Stooges
23. Rage Against The Machine
24. Def Leppard
25. Boston

This is the first proposal by someone who's not me that I would consider reasonable. All of these artists are worthy of the top thirty. I would argue that Red Hot Chili Peppers are probably greater than RAtM even in the world of hard rock. I would simply suggest putting them into RAtM's spot and keeping RAtM's name in mind for the next group (that should also include Bon Jovi).

pauldrach · **Posted:** Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:32 pm

Oh, and Neg:

pauldrach wrote:

Neg, could you maybe add this link to the first post for future reference: http://digitaldreamdoor.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=3008&p=275975#p275975

ClashWho · **Posted:** Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:43 pm

pauldrach wrote:

Would you call Santana hard rock, too?

I dunno, what do you think:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_vJBz2_LtE[/youtube]

pauldrach · **Posted:** Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:45 pm

Yeah, I think "Hope You're Feeling Better" probably is a hard rock tune.

ClashWho · **Posted:** Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:46 pm

Whatever it is, I like it.

dmille · **Posted:** Sat Sep 01, 2012 2:21 pm

pauldrach wrote:

gminer wrote:

pauldrach wrote:

Nevertheless influence on a bigger genre should get a bigger weighting than influence on a less visible genre.

I suppose that fellow David Coverdale from Deep Purple later with his band Whitesnake, had little or know influence in this wonderful genre called hair metal .... this is all attributed to VH ... Take care

It should not all be attributed to Van Halen of course but Van Halen were far more visible during the formative years of glam metal than Whitesnake, who didn't achieve mainstream appeal in the US until the mid-80s. Also compare pictures of Van Halen and Whitesnake in 1978. VH are already much closer to the visual style of glam while Whitesnake look like your stereotypical hard rock act.

This is a case where it does matter when talking about US vs UK bands because both bands came along at about the same time. In the UK, Coverdale's starpower carried over from Purple to Whitesnake and they were always racking up respectable sales. But they never made a significant dent in the US until 84.

Glam metal had already made a huge impact on the US musical landscape by that time. Most UK bands were either influenced many by the original UK glam sound (Def Leppard) or they were glam-in-image-only (Whitesnake, the Cult) due to MTV. Any influence they had on the main US scene was on the later crop of glam metal bands that emerged in the second half of the 80s.

dmille · **Posted:** Sat Sep 01, 2012 2:30 pm

pauldrach wrote:

Would you call Santana hard rock, too?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M76o1bFw-0Q[/youtube]

Santana as Carlos Santana the individual or Santana as the original band from 68 to 72?

Zach · **Posted:** Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:18 pm

Agreed. RHCP would come before RAtM.

pauldrach · **Posted:** Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:42 pm

dmille wrote:

video of "No One to Depend On"

I wouldn't call that hard rock.

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