I don't bother with the argument between Cantrell and Cobain because you'll simply disagree, give Cobain the lead in a silly criteria breakdown and then post a bunch of vids of Nirvana songs I've heard a thousand times before and some new bands I don't care for showing his "influence" and at the end neither of us will have accomplished anything. As well as that, Cantrell is already ahead of Cobain on the list so I believe the burden of proof is on you rather than me in that argument seeing as you're trying to get Cobain raised on the list.

Editors could decide who is right. But anyway, if you don´t want to argue with me, at least you should stop calling me bias.

I might when I see some evidence to the contrary.

But I already did the breakdown and its not even close. Cobain´s influence is huge. If we make a list of the most influential guitar players, Cobain is easily top 30. Cantrell is not even top 100. Cobain is an important link in the evolution of rock guitar, I mean if you erase someone as Cantrell, rock guitar would be exactly the same. You can´t say the same about Cobain. From a creative perspective Cobain have greater, riffs, albums, even solos than Cantrell. I mean, I really don´t get why they are placed as they are now. The huge gap between them should be the other way around.

Nice contra argument. Very Stryder.

Nice argument. It's very Echoes.

Yeah, you answer like that because you know I´m right.

You're both of very little value when all you're doing is arguing with each other, but Brien's greatest asset is that he knows when he's wrong. He also doesn't have a massive agenda that seeps through every single post he makes. What I do wish Brien would do is to present better arguments, because I know he's capable of this if he tries. This forum is in dire need of more people who can discuss things intelligently, the last thing we need is another bunch of kids who keep presenting their opinions as facts, because that gets us nowhere.

Echoes is not an asset to this forum, because his intense obsession turns people away from the artists he's promoting, rather than making them interested in hearing more. I've been wanting to get a keener insight into the alternative rock of the early '90s, but Echoes' obsessive whining just turns me off wanting to explore that scene further. If he really was a fan of all these artists, he'd know when to hold back, so that people didn't get turned away, but instead he gets more intense.

It's not working.

Well, from 90´s alternative rock scene I recommend starting with the holy trinity: Nevermind , Ten and Blood Sugar Sex Magic. Have you heard those albums?

That's not the part of my post that you should focus on. Everyone here is tired of your circular reasoning, constant shifting of the goalposts, and refusal to acknowledge when you're wrong. That last part is something you have in common with Stryder, btw. You say you're sorry, and that you want to improve? What does that matter, when you don't seem to understand what you need to improve? You're not dumb at all, all your clever little scheming is proof of that, yet you seem completely oblivious to criticism and requests to present proper arguments.

I've tried reasoning with you. Hell, I'm trying to do so right now, but I'm getting nowhere. What am I supposed to do?

You could try what you did last time when you made it so he couldn't see the forum.

Look YB, you could explain to me why Cobain is so low. That´s it. That´s all I have been asking for years.
As I have said from day one, I am here to learn, so I must be missing a lot of rock guitar history if Cobain is properly rated at 180th, while I have him at top 50.

You've been explained these things on numerous occasions. I, myself, had to repeat what I'd been saying many times before about The Beatles not being a team a few days ago. Does it change anything for you? Of course it doesn't, and I'm guessing that unless the list criteria gets magically altered, you will just keep doing what you do.

Why should we have to go around explaining things for you, when you refuse to make any reasonable arguments for the changes you want to happen in the list? The fact that you've been here for so many years without getting anywhere, that's one thing. The fact that your mere presence makes a lot of valuable members shun this section is a disgrace, and you're the main reason we haven't gotten further than we have with perfecting the placements outside the top 100.

I don´t recall hearing your input about Cobain. With regards to The Beatles as a team I feel that they are better represented as a group and there is other list on DDD aside of mine that also have them as a group. So we disagree. So? I don´t see what is the huge problem.

Let´s say no more and move to something else.

And I agree with regards to my arguments between me and Soda, that is why I have added him to my ignore list.