I'm not, and I'm sure a couple of others are too

Because they keep saying that they aren't heavy metal. I would think that's obvious.



MY opinion is mine. Why would anyone have an opinion if they thought it was wrong. If I thought my opinion was wrong, I'd have had a different opinion to being with.

First mistake you're making is thinking that the folks here listen to exclusively metal. Very few of us, if any at all, listen to only metal.

I'm not too sure about Kayo Dot and Septicflesh, otherwise joe's list looks okay.

The Kayo Dot I gave my reasoning for, if nobody else agrees on Septicflesh (although I'm not sure why, I was thinking it was popular critically, and, I know this does not factor into the criteria, but it was an album I was aware of before I even started listening to extreme metal, and that just came from internet/magazine stuff, but I never bothered with it because at the time I didn't listen to extreme metal).

I was actually thinking about including Death Cult Armageddon on my list because it's easily one of the most popular black metal albums of all time. No small feat. It's not every day you hear black metal songs in film trailers and despite black metal fans reactions, it got really great reviews. 100,000 units moved and 4/5 score or better from most of the major metal voices.

I despise Ashes. One of the worst albums I have heard. Still belongs on the list.

I think Deathcult Armageddon belongs as much as Hate Crew Deathroll. Pretty much the same album, really.

I've no problem with including Deathcult, but I think JRA's made his mind up on that one.

I didn't say metal. I said heavy metal. Reading IS fundamental.

This is the metal forum. Not the Shit That Seemed Heavy in 1948 forum.

I seem to recall that my post was for 1970. And Black Sabbath was at the top of my list. Are you saying that they aren't sufficiently heavy enough for the DDD forum?

I'll take Death Cult over Ashes of Empires anyday. Death Cult's crime is that Dimmu kinda sucks at Sons of Northern Darkness- ish songcrafting (seriously, I remember the first time I heard Vresbyrd and thought that riff/lick after the first verse was genius, and the fucking idiots never bring it back again through out the rest of the song). Death Cult gave black metal that little extra pus for it to be featured on MTV and mainstream tours. Ashes Of Empires did not do the same for groove metal.

Updated.

You know exactly what I'm saying. Now I'm moving on from this stupid discussion and I (and likely everyone here) will be ignoring your useless posts.

Well, I will be posting 1971 soon. Look forward to your feedback.