Rank The Hall Of Famers

Bruce · **Posted:** Mon Feb 04, 2013 2:52 pm

Sampson wrote:

Bruce wrote:

Sampson wrote:

I like the Mills Brothers and know their work, but I probably calculate the Early Influence candidates qualifications for the Hall differently than you. For that category in my eyes it's not their overall achievements that matter, but their direct influence on the birth of rock itself. The further back from rock's conception (1947/48) you get, the less their influence is directly felt, even though with them the vocal group course began. I understand people seeing things differently, but I'm much more concerned with giving the birth of rock groups like the Ravens credit and feel it's a much closer connection than someone doing things 15 years earlier.

That's reasonable, so I assume that you would not induct Louis Armstrong, Robert Johnson, Ma Rainey, Bessie Smith, etc ?

No, I wouldn't. I thought the deification of Robert Johnson as the father of rock was the single worst thing to happen to the accurate portrayal of Rock History, it skewed everything to a 60's guitar-centric ground zero starting point, which is exactly the WRONG way to trace anything. You find the beginning and move forward, not randomly pick a point from the middle and go backwards. That being said, I love Robert Johnson and definitely see how his work DID get picked up on by rockers down the road in the 60's, but it had NOTHING to do with rock's birth.

I guess it depends on how you interpret the term "Early Influences."

I interpret it as artists who were around before rock and roll was, and who influenced rock and roll, but not necessarily influenced the start of rock and roll.

You seem to be interpreting it as ONLY artists who influenced the start of rock and roll.

There is no denying that Robert Johnson had a big influence on rock and roll music, although most of his influence did not come until a decade or more after rock's first records.

StuBass · **Joined:** Mon Oct 11, 2010 8:06 pm **Posts:** 799

Jerry Butler (THE Iceman) & Joe Tex are awefully deserving (any guy shot at by James Brown deserves consideration)..

pauldrach · **Posted:** Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:28 pm

Bruce wrote:

Johnny Ace
Jesse Belvin
Johnny Burnette Trio
Jerry Butler
Chubby Checker
Clovers
Five Royales
Carole King
Cliff Richard
Jack Scott
Huey "Piano" Smith
Joe Tex
Billy Ward and the Dominoes
Larry Williams
Sonny Boy Williamson (Rice Miller)

Again, I'll vote for all of them. Scott strikes me as the least deserving of the bunch. There's a whole bunch of '50s artists not yet in whose inductions would seem reasonable to me.

Ryan · **Joined:** Thu Oct 07, 2010 10:46 am **Posts:** 5776

Johnny Ace
Chubby Checker
Clovers
Five Royales
Carole King
Cliff Richard
Huey "Piano" Smith
Joe Tex
Sonny Boy Williamson

Brett Alan · **Joined:** Thu Oct 07, 2010 3:17 pm **Posts:** 6333

Bruce wrote:

To be eligible for this category the artist has to have released his first record between 1960 and 1959 .

OK, if someone managed to release a record between 1960 and 1959, he should get in just for that! Talk about creativity! :lol:

OK, seriously, here are my yes votes:

Johnny Ace
Jesse Belvin
Johnny Burnette Trio
Jerry Butler
Chubby Checker
Clovers
Five Royales
Carole King
Cliff Richard
Huey "Piano" Smith
Joe Tex
Billy Ward and the Dominoes
Larry Williams

I feel like that's a little too much, but I can see arguments for all of these and I don't think I want to be the one who denies one. I guess at heart I'm in favor of a big Hall.

Bruce · **Posted:** Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:06 pm

Brett Alan wrote:

Bruce wrote:

To be eligible for this category the artist has to have released his first record between 1960 and 1959 .

OK, if someone managed to release a record between 1960 and 1959, he should get in just for that! Talk about creativity! :lol:

Thanks, I fixed the typo...LOL.

Brian · **Joined:** Wed Oct 06, 2010 2:52 pm **Posts:** 4300

I vote yes to these:

Johnny Ace
Jesse Belvin
Jerry Butler
Chubby Checker
Clovers
Five Royales
Carole King
Cliff Richard
Huey "Piano" Smith
Joe Tex
Billy Ward and the Dominoes

Bruce · **Posted:** Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:05 pm

The first round of artists who released their first record in the 1950s is closed. There were 6 voters so a candidate needed 4 votes to be inducted. We have inducted 11 artists. Here are the results:

INDUCTEES (votes)
Johnny Ace (6)
Clovers (6)
Five Royales (6)
Huey "Piano" Smith (6)
Joe Tex (6)
Jerry Butler (5)
Chubby Checker (5)
Carole King (5)
Cliff Richard (5)
Billy Ward and the Dominoes (5)
Jesse Belvin (4)

NON-INDUCTEES (votes)
Larry Williams (3)
Sonny Boy Williamson (Rice Miller) (3)
Johnny Burnette Trio (2)
Jack Scott (1)

Jack Scott only got one vote so he will be dropped from the ballot. The other non-inductees will get two more times on the ballot before they are off for this time around.

Bruce · **Posted:** Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:08 pm

INDUCTEES SO FAR

EARLY INFLUENCES:
Roy Brown
Arthur "Big Boy" Crudup
Wynonie Harris
Amos Milburn
Lucky Millinder
Mills Brothers
Charley Patton
Ravens

MAIN PERFORMERS:
Johnny Ace
Jesse Belvin
Jerry Butler
Chubby Checker
Clovers
Five Royales
Carole King
Cliff Richard
Huey "Piano" Smith
Joe Tex
Billy Ward and the Dominoes

Bruce · **Posted:** Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:09 pm

Moving on to the next era, artists who made their first record in the 1960s.

To be eligible for this category the artist has to have released his first record between 1960 and 1969 . Each voter is just going to vote YES or NO on each candidate. In order to be inducted the candidate has to get 2/3 of the vote. You can vote for all 15 candidates if you want to.

THIS ROUND WILL CLOSE ON SUNDAY FEB 17 at 10 PM EASTERN:

Here are the candidates:

Gene Chandler
Chicago
Deep Purple
Tommy James & the Shondells
Jethro Tull
Kool and the Gang
Monkees
Moody Blues
Paul Revere & the Raiders
Linda Ronstadt
Sonny & Cher
Spinners
Jr. Walker & the All-Stars
Mary Wells
Yes

Bruce · **Posted:** Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:13 pm

MY VOTES: (I voted for 14 of the 15)

Gene Chandler
Chicago
Deep Purple
Tommy James & the Shondells
Jethro Tull
Kool and the Gang
Monkees
Moody Blues
Paul Revere & the Raiders
Linda Ronstadt
Spinners
Jr. Walker & the All-Stars
Mary Wells
Yes

Ryan · **Joined:** Thu Oct 07, 2010 10:46 am **Posts:** 5776

Yes to these:
Gene Chandler
Chicago
Deep Purple
Tommy James & The Shondells
Jethro Tull
Kool and the Gang
Monkees
Moody Blues
Paul Revere & The Raiders
The Spinners
Jr. Walker & The All Stars
Mary Wells
Yes

No to the rest.

pauldrach · **Posted:** Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:41 am

Bruce wrote:

MY VOTES: (I voted for 14 of the 15)

Gene Chandler
Chicago
Deep Purple
Tommy James & the Shondells
Jethro Tull
Kool and the Gang
Monkees
Moody Blues
Paul Revere & the Raiders
Linda Ronstadt
Spinners
Jr. Walker & the All-Stars
Mary Wells
Yes

Same for me please, though I'd say Chandler is really a borderline case.

Bruce · **Posted:** Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:58 pm

pauldrach wrote:

Same for me please, though I'd say Chandler is really a borderline case.

Yes, I agree. Only two or three songs that really entered the mainstream, but he's got at least a dozen great records, classics in the black community. Here's one of my faves:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Flcsb_KznNI[/youtube]

Bruce · **Posted:** Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:02 pm

And of course Gene's specialty was great ballads:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7ZCrTAafGg[/youtube]

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