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Adequate Gatsby · **Posted:** Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:28 pm

Queens of the Stone Age's debut is better by miles than any of their other work in my humble opinion.

boo boo · **Posted:** Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:30 am

I love classic hard rock, so why should I listen to a by the numbers imitation like Wolfmother instead of the real thing?

boo boo · **Posted:** Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:51 am

thejew wrote:

joe c wrote:

@chicken sandwich

I think Boo Boo was trying to say they were the last great hard rock band that was popular outside of the internet.

I agree with that sentiment in that case. Although Songs for the Deaf is admittedly the only QOTSA album that I enjoy (but it's one of my favorite albums ever, top 50 probably).

And fuck no, Wolfmother is everything wrong with music. Rehashing 70s blues rock in an attempt to turn time and regress music back to an era that has since been evolved from. They're fucking terrible.

Why does paying homage to an older genre of music automatically make you terrible? There will always be shitty avant garde bands around so why is traditionalism inherently bad?

I don't like Wolfmother at all but I feel like getting on your ass about this anyway.

Yousha · **Posted:** Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:21 am

I have the same question actually? Why can't a band just pay homage? Wolfmother are nothing great or groundbreaking, but I can definitely sit through their songs and bang my head a bit too and they do a pretty good job doing that style. Songs like Joker n the thief and Dimension definitely fall into the fun category for me. Plus, they do a wicked version of CB, so I can definitely like that

Adequate Gatsby · **Posted:** Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:13 am

You don't get the appeal of Wolfmother. They are influenced by Led Zeppelin AND Black Sabbath. Mind Blowing shit right there.

Yousha · **Posted:** Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:25 pm

Plus, a song like this is just fun. Could just be a white stripes song too I think.

http://grooveshark.com/s/Apple+Tree/2MLKnl?src=5

boo boo · **Posted:** Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:27 pm

I think you're about to get curbstomped for making that comparison.

Yousha · **Posted:** Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:52 pm

It's a pretty legit one though, and people not seeing it are just lying to themselves. I really like the white stripes myself, from the handful of songs I've heard from em.

Adequate Gatsby · **Posted:** Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:06 pm

Little Room is the best white stripes song ever.

thejew · **Posted:** Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:39 pm

Because music has moved on from that point. As artists they can do whatever they want, and if they want to rip off Zeppelin songs then more power to them. But to think they have any merit or credibility as legitimate artists is false, as they're like a poor man's tribute band. Zeppelin has enough bands and people on their dicks as it is. They're just perpetuating this stupid mindset that all great rock music was made in the late 60s/early 70s and I can hear thousands of old dad rockers exclaiming "Finally! A great band from this decade!" when hearing Wolfmother.

pave · **Posted:** Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:39 pm

i'm one of the biggest Jack White fans here. and the first time i heard Wolfmother's "Woman", i thought it was a new Jack White song... i got really excited about it actually.

anyway, Joker and the Thief and Woman are the only two songs i've heard of theirs and i don't have a problem with either of them. i think they are probably another good band with a couple good songs that hardcore music fans backlash against because of the "hey this band is decent and sounds a little bit old school in a way, therefore they are the saviors of rawk!!!" attitude of casual fans. same thing happened to Mumford and Sons. and Kings of Leon. i see no real reason to actually dislike either of them outside of disliking their fanbases. just my opinion.

pave · **Posted:** Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:40 pm

thejew wrote:

Because music has moved on from that point. As artists they can do whatever they want, and if they want to rip off Zeppelin songs then more power to them. But to think they have any merit or credibility as legitimate artists is false, as they're like a poor man's tribute band. Zeppelin has enough bands and people on their dicks as it is. They're just perpetuating this stupid mindset that all great rock music was made in the late 60s/early 70s and I can hear thousands of old dad rockers exclaiming "Finally! A great band from this decade!" when hearing Wolfmother.

i swear, i hadn't seen this when i typed my post. but yeah, this is exactly what i'm talking about :zoid:

corrections · **Joined:** Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:11 pm **Posts:** 27988

thejew wrote:

Because music has moved on from that point. As artists they can do whatever they want, and if they want to rip off Zeppelin songs then more power to them. But to think they have any merit or credibility as legitimate artists is false, as they're like a poor man's tribute band. Zeppelin has enough bands and people on their dicks as it is. They're just perpetuating this stupid mindset that all great rock music was made in the late 60s/early 70s and I can hear thousands of old dad rockers exclaiming "Finally! A great band from this decade!" when hearing Wolfmother.

Careful not to draw too broad a brush here. Moving on in a linear progression always forward is both not how music history happens nor how it should. For example would you call Stravinsky and other moderm composers neoclassical stuff without merit artistically? Afterall they were moving back to an older point. Someone can look back to older influences and create something new and interesting. Your framework is every bit as tyrannical as the tyranny of the lates 60s and early 70s.

thejew · **Posted:** Tue Feb 26, 2013 5:57 pm

corrections wrote:

thejew wrote:

Because music has moved on from that point. As artists they can do whatever they want, and if they want to rip off Zeppelin songs then more power to them. But to think they have any merit or credibility as legitimate artists is false, as they're like a poor man's tribute band. Zeppelin has enough bands and people on their dicks as it is. They're just perpetuating this stupid mindset that all great rock music was made in the late 60s/early 70s and I can hear thousands of old dad rockers exclaiming "Finally! A great band from this decade!" when hearing Wolfmother.

Careful not to draw too broad a brush here. Moving on in a linear progression always forward is both not how music history happens nor how it should. For example would you call Stravinsky and other moderm composers neoclassical stuff without merit artistically? Afterall they were moving back to an older point. Someone can look back to older influences and create something new and interesting. Your framework is every bit as tyrannical as the tyranny of the lates 60s and early 70s.

Well yes and I intend it to be, because I'm incredibly elitist. I certainly do agree that the idea of a perfectly linear progression is absurd though.

corrections · **Joined:** Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:11 pm **Posts:** 27988

thejew wrote:

corrections wrote:

thejew wrote:

Because music has moved on from that point. As artists they can do whatever they want, and if they want to rip off Zeppelin songs then more power to them. But to think they have any merit or credibility as legitimate artists is false, as they're like a poor man's tribute band. Zeppelin has enough bands and people on their dicks as it is. They're just perpetuating this stupid mindset that all great rock music was made in the late 60s/early 70s and I can hear thousands of old dad rockers exclaiming "Finally! A great band from this decade!" when hearing Wolfmother.

Careful not to draw too broad a brush here. Moving on in a linear progression always forward is both not how music history happens nor how it should. For example would you call Stravinsky and other moderm composers neoclassical stuff without merit artistically? Afterall they were moving back to an older point. Someone can look back to older influences and create something new and interesting. Your framework is every bit as tyrannical as the tyranny of the lates 60s and early 70s.

Well yes and I intend it to be, because I'm incredibly elitist. I certainly do agree that the idea of a perfectly linear progression is absurd though.

I think if you explored your idea a little bit more I think you would find it untenable.

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