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boo boo · **Posted:** Mon Mar 04, 2013 12:45 am

So having idiosyncratic lyrics = going nowhere.

Ok man, just make that indie folk album you always wanted to make about jerking off to pics of girls in your high school yearbook before crying yourself to sleep so we can hear what true songwriting is.

Tudwell · **Joined:** Wed Oct 13, 2010 12:06 pm **Posts:** 4283

boo boo wrote:

So having idiosyncratic lyrics = going nowhere.

No, I actually specifically explained why I felt that particular song went nowhere. Astral Weeks has idiosyncratic lyrics and I obviously love that album.

joe c · **Posted:** Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:54 pm

Tudwell wrote:

he wants to play the detached, ironizing observer and also be a moving songwriter at the same time, and it just doesn't work. He's trying to go in different directions at once and as a result goes nowhere.

I guess this is just the part we disagree on. I think it works very well, the observer in the lyricism and the moving songwriter in the music. Bowie is a contradiction and a chameleon and that's his direction.

corrections · **Joined:** Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:11 pm **Posts:** 27988

pave wrote:

some more:

Tom Waits' music is better than The Beatles. no

Ani DiFranco is a better lyricist than Bob Dylan. no opinion

Bob Dylan is a better songwriter and performer than he is a lyricist. possibly

Illmatic isn't that good. and neither is Nas as a whole. the following emcees/lyricsts are all more fun to listen to: Mos Def, Redman, Big L, Eminem, Common, Talib Kweli, Big Pun. no opinion

80s Crimson > 70s Crimson false

Chris Cornell was a terrible songwriter. his vocal melodies are the equivalent of snails moving through mud with anvils strapped to their backs (with no shoes, nigga) with you completely

Pet Sounds is really good for like a year after you get over the fact that, as a teenager, you thought The Beach Boys sucked (despite not knowing anything about them) but then you realized they didn't. but after that year, it really isn't all that fun to listen to anymore. false

corrections · **Joined:** Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:11 pm **Posts:** 27988

a few good trains wrote:

You know who's boring? Grizzly Bear.

Yes

corrections · **Joined:** Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:11 pm **Posts:** 27988

boo boo wrote:

"Style over substance" is a criticism I hate with a passion... except when I can use it to describe music I don't like and then it's ok.

Alright I've caught you. Put your hands up!

Time for some good old fashioned street justice

:cop:

thejew · **Posted:** Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:56 pm

Tom Waits is far more creative than The Beatles could ever hope to be.

Yeah Tudwell basically named all the reasons why I love David Bowie.

Led for your Head · **Posted:** Mon Mar 04, 2013 8:11 pm

boo boo wrote:

So having idiosyncratic lyrics = going nowhere.

Ok man, just make that indie folk album you always wanted to make about jerking off to pics of girls in your high school yearbook before crying yourself to sleep so we can hear what true songwriting is.

I'll laugh. :lol:

zephead8 · **Posted:** Mon Mar 04, 2013 9:51 pm

cul de sac is the best van morrison song

Cruz · **Posted:** Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:37 am

caravan is the best van morrison song

batman · **Posted:** Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:19 am

agree with your thoughts on "passionate" music boo boo. I'm not sure if this is basically the same thing, but I also don't like describing music as "emotional." Doesn't all music come from some type of emotion? Even if the emotion is apathy, or emptiness.

boo boo · **Posted:** Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:39 pm

Punk rock is single handedly the worst thing to ever happen to music and had it never existed music would without question be significantly better today as a result.

boo boo · **Posted:** Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:54 pm

The Sex Pistols, The Clash, The Stranglers, The Buzzcocks, Joy Division, The Cure and Johnny Thunders were all fucking terrible.

UK stopped producing anything of merit after 1976... unless it was a prog band.

Cripplers Quest · **Joined:** Tue Aug 02, 2011 8:14 pm **Posts:** 2632

not again, please boo boo?

jfauser · **Posted:** Fri Mar 08, 2013 12:24 am

boo boo wrote:

The Sex Pistols, The Clash, The Stranglers, The Buzzcocks, Ramones, Joy Division, The Cure, Johnny Thunders and the Heartbreakers and The Ramones were all fucking terrible.

UK stopped producing anything of merit after 1976... unless it was a prog band.

So do The Ramones suck twice as much?

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