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thejew · **Posted:** Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:52 pm

zephead8 wrote:

looks like the raiders are gonna nab mjd. they should now get desean jackson

If the Panthers are smart then they'd throw a lot of many at Jackson. Otherwise Newton is going to be throwing to himself this season.

zephead8 · **Posted:** Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:01 pm

that would be one hell of a combo

markb · **Joined:** Mon Jan 13, 2014 10:36 pm **Posts:** 248

Newton to himself? I'm not sure how great a receiver he is, but theoretically it does sound promising.

joe c · **Posted:** Fri Mar 28, 2014 6:46 pm

Yeah if they grab Jackson the Raiders might not be a joke anymore.

joe c · **Posted:** Fri Mar 28, 2014 7:00 pm

I was actually just looking at a list of seasons from the past 10 years (2003 - 2013). The "worst" teams as far as win/loss goes:

1. Raiders with 54 wins
2. Lions with 55 wins
3. Browns with 56 wins

That's out of a possible 160 games. So yeah, the Raiders haven't won as many games as the Lions even with the Lions going 0-16 one season. I said that just poking fun at you, but...well...

corrections · **Joined:** Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:11 pm **Posts:** 27988

Raiders...learning no lessons at all

Eric J · **Joined:** Sat Oct 16, 2010 10:07 am **Posts:** 7010

You don't think MJD will do better off Jags? Or was that to the conversation above?

thejew · **Posted:** Sat Mar 29, 2014 12:24 am

corrections wrote:

Raiders...learning no lessons at all

Ehh, they had cap space, might as well spend it on shit. Yeah, they need to rebuild, but I don't see what's wrong with spending a bunch on average veteran/reclamation projects while you spend the next few years drafting and transitioning into a youth-filled team.

Basically the same strategy the Florida Panthers are using in the NHL, a couple of seasons ago when they overpaid for a bunch of average/slightly above-average players.

Will it work? Idk. But hey, maybe they can finally make another playoff appearance. Unlikely, but could happen.

corrections · **Joined:** Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:11 pm **Posts:** 27988

thejew wrote:

corrections wrote:

Raiders...learning no lessons at all

Ehh, they had cap space, might as well spend it on shit. Yeah, they need to rebuild, but I don't see what's wrong with spending a bunch on average veteran/reclamation projects while you spend the next few years drafting and transitioning into a youth-filled team.

Basically the same strategy the Florida Panthers are using in the NHL, a couple of seasons ago when they overpaid for a bunch of average/slightly above-average players.

Will it work? Idk. But hey, maybe they can finally make another playoff appearance. Unlikely, but could happen.

Not bloody likely. They're still the worst team in their division with the worst QB in their division and the worst peripheral roster. What they should be doing is not signing much cap flotsam so when they are in position they've got a clean balance sheet. Their moves right now reek of thinking they're ready to start making real strides.

corrections · **Joined:** Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:11 pm **Posts:** 27988

Bones wrote:

corrections wrote:

Raiders...learning no lessons at all

You also said the Chargers would be garbage last year and they made it to the postseason. I respect the fact that you're one of the most knowledgeable posters when it comes to the NFL but I'm really starting to trust your statements less and less by the day. Lots of them hilariously turn out wrong. Why the fuck should we spend all of our money right away on the best players available when we could build our roster up with players that can bring leadership to the team and still save cap space for next year? Plus we have high picks in the draft to look forward to. Have you looked at the contracts these players are getting? You even said yourself that our GM is pretty smart and he's showing it by signing quality veterans for cheap. This is just a start. This is the first season in a while that the Raiders actually have cap space to make moves. How can you expect us to just turn into an elite team in one season? I've got a feeling you're just saying all of this because you have personal hate for the team (like every single fucking football fan or writer.)

You bring up how we have the worst QB in the division. Maybe that's because the other QBs are Peyton fucking Manning, Philip Rivers, and Alex Smith? Name one available QB that we could have acquired that would have been better than any of these guys? Matt Schaub was easily the best QB available and that's exactly why we went out and traded for him. Our head coach already said he isn't ruling out drafting a QB so who knows if Matt Schaub is gonna be long-term or just a short-term answer until we build up a rookie QB. And you say how we have the worst roster in the division when I don't think you've seen San Diego's defense. They have ZERO cornerbacks that are starting-worthy and their defensive line is pretty average at best. Our defensive line is loaded with pass rushers (even if they are veterans they can still produce), a secondary with the best safety of the last decade along with Tyvon Branch who has been one of the most underrated safeties of the last few years. And we have a solid linebacking core that already proved it's worth in the beginning of last season. Not to mention our offensive line is finally stacked with Donald Penn, Kevin Boothe, Wisniewski, Brisiel and Austin Howard. All pro bowlers except for Boothe. That is the best offensive line Oakland has had in more than 10 years. We also have a veteran receiver in the receiving core and could be adding more to it with the likes of DeSean Jackson or Sammy Watkins who would be a HUGE boost to the offense. MJD also proved last year that he isn't done yet. Now that he's coming home to Oakland, I'm expecting to see him have an even better year.

The Raiders are not the same piece of trash that you saw last year and I GUARANTEE they will be a better team this season. Go ahead and laugh all you want, doubt all you want, I honestly don't give a shit. We looked pretty damn well in the beginning of last season with one of the worst rosters in the league, actually putting up a contest with teams like Indy, SD, Dallas, New York, and KC. The KC game melted down because Pryor made retarded decisions in the end of the match. Did you see the pressure our defense put on Smith? Plenty of offenses praised our defense last year and we didn't have a single star player on the unit (the best player on our defense was injured).

I'm not saying we're gonna be a playoff team or a 10-6 and up team next season but I'm expecting for us to AT LEAST go .500. The only problem is that we're facing the NFC West next year and that'll be a challenge. I still have faith in the coaching staff and the team that they will do a better job. Both Reggie and D.A's jobs are on the line next season and they're gonna fight to keep their jobs. I'm pretty anxious to see how next season plays out.

It also bugs me how you keep fucking saying that we think we're making real strides. THESE ARE NOT LONG-TERM SOLUTIONS MAN. Who the hell said they were?

First as to the bold :lol:

(and particularly so given the fact that you do play the NFC West)

I tell you what I'll make a bet with you. If Oakland goes .500 or better I'll stop posting on ddd for a month (after the end of the regular season). If Oakland is worse than .500 you have to stop posting on ddd for a month.

I'm saying that being good this year isn't in the Raiders best interest. Take it from someone who cheers for a mediocre team that hasn't taken the pain it needs to bottom out. You need to be bad for a couple of more years to get where you need to be. Signing veterans can be fine but have you looked at Jones Drew's age (we also don't know the size of his contract yet just that it's 3 years)? He maybe gives you 3 years. Will that be within your contention window? James Jones is a number 3 receiver or at best a 2 and just honestly wasn't really worth signing (you didn't get him for that much). Tuck and Woodley don't bother me much as they'll be off the cap sheet in 2 years. As for your line being elite seriously? But the main issue is why are you trying to be mediocre. You don't have the QB of the future on the roster. Signing these players only makes you better. Far be it from me to defend tanking but what is the point of adding guys to a team that's going to finish last in its division so it can pump up its record a bit more and destroy draft standing?

As for San Diego I don't really know why you find their defense all that relevant. Their defense was the worst in the league last year. Their offense was so good it made up for it. I don't think San Diego is great but they do at least one thing well which is more things than Oakland does. You've demonstrated a constant ability on here to erroneously assess your own teams strengths, overestimate their performance in games, and underestimate your opponents. It's true I did not think San Diego would be that great. After seeing about 3 games I revised my opinion of them because of their offense. I did not revise my opinion of the Raiders because even though they won some games they looked bad. And in the end when you were saying that you would definitely finish ahead of the Chargers on that start and the Chargers wouldn't make the playoffs it was very amusing.

Eric J · **Joined:** Sat Oct 16, 2010 10:07 am **Posts:** 7010

Bones I used to think the exact same way with the Bears. Some of my posts might still be pretty optimistic, but what you're doing is taking the best case scenario of every micro-scenario ("we'll get Watkins and he'll be great," "Schaub will be his old self," "all those d-line veterans are gonna produce," etc...), and assuming that they'll all work out. It's certainly plausible that a couple of those best-cases will pan out this year, but most of them won't, because that's how the universe works. Your team's at a point where nearly all of those scenarios would have to pan out and that just doesn't happen in a full NFL season. Realistically Schaub will have at least a couple horrible games and he won't be as good as his old self without his weapons, Watkins will struggle (at least occasionally) to get open in the NFL, some of those vets are gonna be tired and/or just not give a shit anymore.

Eric J · **Joined:** Sat Oct 16, 2010 10:07 am **Posts:** 7010

Speaking of best-case scenarios, if Marquis Wilson turns out to be a stud or near-stud (like the Bears all think he will) then the Bears top 3 receivers would all be at least 6-4, with their tight end being 6-6. Has there been a passing attack like that in recent memory?

joe c · **Posted:** Sat Mar 29, 2014 11:03 am

Rumor has it that KC is in the mix to grab DJax too. Then again, besides Philly, who isn't in the mix?

Eric J · **Joined:** Sat Oct 16, 2010 10:07 am **Posts:** 7010

Teams without a lot of money or who don't want to deal with him (it's a really big deal that he got cut; players that good don't get cut like that unless they murder someone).

Edit: Just checked and the Bears at least have absolutely zero interest. They weren't at Mike Evans's pro-day either so it could be they're just not concerned about adding receivers right now.

corrections · **Joined:** Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:11 pm **Posts:** 27988

joe c wrote:

Rumor has it that KC is in the mix to grab DJax too. Then again, besides Philly, who isn't in the mix?

Hopefully not Dallas

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