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 Post subject: Re: Game of Thrones
PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 9:58 am 
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I don't think you're remembering Margaery's behavior in that scene very well.


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I think she was going to try and cut her throat but Arya threw herself over.


I thought she feinted like she was going to slice Arya's throat, and then deliberately belly-stabbed her instead because she hates Arya and wants her to die a slow and painful death.


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I don't think you're remembering Margaery's behavior in that scene very well.


I think I am. She kept telling Loras to be strong and fight them and not give in to them, right? But then Loras says something like, "No, let them win." And that's where the scene ended. So she could just be letting the Sparrows win. Now we know she's not, though, thanks to the rose drawing message to her mother.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 10:13 am 
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I think that scene made it pretty clear that Margaery was having none of Loras' advice.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 10:18 am 
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Arya won't die, at least not from those wounds.


Those wounds are almost certainly lethal. She needs help, likely of the supernatural kind, if she is to survive them.


Depends what was punctured. You can absolutely survive knife wounds in that area without magic. She'll die if her liver or kidneys are stabbed (doesn't look like it from the spot) or if her bowels were punctured (less likely than you think). Other than that, she might bleed out. It's the kind of place where death is slow and painful. That's why ritual seppuku suicide is done there.

https://www.quora.com/How-long-does-it- ... he-stomach

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The most vascular organs in the abdominal cavity are the liver, kidneys, and spleen. This is not surprising since they perform the function of cleaning the blood of various toxins, chemicals, and pathogens, and large volumes of blood will be passing through those organs at any given time. Knife wounds into those organs will statistically be far more dangerous than knife wounds into the bowels or the bladder, for example. But again, it still depends on exactly where you got poked. The larger the blood vessel(s) that got burst open inside those organs, the shorter your lifespan, which in these cases could be measured in hours to days. Or even minutes, if you got really unlucky.

An interesting fact about knife vs bowel (small & large intestines): it is actually far less likely than you think for a knife penetration into the gut to actually result in perforation of a bowel segment. Knife thrusts typically do not move fast enough to penetrate bowel, and they are more likely to move out of the way of a thrust so that the blade slides in between bowel segments, than to actually be penetrated. (This is definitely not the case with a bullet penetration, incidentally; they will perf anything and everything in their flight path; bullets also create potentially massive temporary trauma cavities along their flight path, all of which contribute to bullets having far more stopping power than knives; but this is a discussion for another Quora topic.) However, even if a bowel segment is penetrated by a knife, the relatively lower vascularity of bowel means that it will likely take far longer for you to die of blood loss, possibly several days, or perhaps even not at all. Another possibility for death then comes into play in this time frame, however, namely sepsis and subsequent septic shock, due to the fact that a perforated bowel will be leaking gut bacteria into what is otherwise a usually sterile environment; skin and environmental bacteria may have also tracked into the wound cavity along with the blade or migrate into the wound later. And if they end up getting into your bloodstream, you are definitely a goner without the proper treatment.

All in all, if you were to get stabbed in the abdomen, the biggest target will be the small and large intestines (covered by the omentum) due to the fact that they take up the most real estate inside your abdominal cavity. Fortunately for all of us, knife wounds into these structures offer the greatest chance for survival until we receive the proper medical treatment.


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 Post subject: Re: Game of Thrones
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pnoom wrote:
I think that scene made it pretty clear that Margaery was having none of Loras' advice.


Well, that's the way I read it, too. But it's not explicit. Do you think Loras thinks she was having none of his advice?


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I don't know, but I brought up the scene as evidence that should have convinced viewers she was playing the Sparrow, not as evidence about Loras' beliefs.

Also, again, still haven't seen the new episode, but I'm guessing the Sparrow is perfectly aware that she may be less than genuine and has a plan. He's smart. He's been a step ahead of everybody the entire time, and I don't expect that's stopped now. (And Margaery playing Tommen seems to me to have the potential to work right into the Sparrow's hands. Tommen may be kinda dumb, but he has more official power than Margaery, and if he really believes that's good news for the Sparrow.)


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What if the High Sparrow is an Inspector Clousseau and all this time he's just been a step ahead of everyone else accidentally? :eek:


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 12:46 pm 
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You wouldn't want to put the universe in a tube.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 1:43 pm 
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How about time in a bottle?


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that reminds me of one of my fondest childhood memories. In a 7th or 9th grade science class we had two weeks to make a project detailing the history and scale of the universe. 15 minutes before class (and just 5 after I scarfed down my usual pepperoni pizza), my two friends and I taped together a couple pieces of paper (each color representing some event and scaled to some timescale), rolled them into a tube, and dubbed our project 'the tube of time'. It was literally just a roll of multicolored papers that we had to stand up there and present, whilst other groups had made fucking 15 documentaries with custom animation.


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aside from the great name, the other reason the 'tube of time' stands out so much in my memory is because the reason it was such shit was that the weeknd we were suppose to get together and work on it, instead we just went friend B's house and he showed us all his dad's sex toys. including the must bizarre cum vacuum device that I still don't understand.


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ignatious wrote:
aside from the great name, the other reason the 'tube of time' stands out so much in my memory is because the reason it was such shit was that the weeknd we were suppose to get together and work on it, instead we just went friend B's house and he showed us all his dad's sex toys. including the must bizarre cum vacuum device that I still don't understand.


I've read too many doujinshi to not know where this is headed


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 Post subject: Re: Game of Thrones
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Jess wrote:
arya has too much "plot armor" to die right now.

so margaery is definitely playing the high sparrow right? that's what the rose illustration she gave to the queen of thorns indicated?


Indicates that she still belongs to House Tyrell


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 Post subject: Re: Game of Thrones
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do you guys ever pay attention to the director's and writers of different episodes? any of them deliver consistently in your mind?


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