Greatest Movies Of All Time

Tim · **Joined:** Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:47 pm **Posts:** 11198

176. Monty Python and the Holy Grail - Terry Gilliam & Terry Jones (1975)
177. M*A*S*H - Robert Altman (1970)
178. No Country for Old Men - Joel & Ethan Coen (2007)
179. WALL·E - Andrew Stanton (2008)
180. The Social Network - David Fincher (2010)
181. Boyhood - Richard Linklater (2014)
182. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid - George Roy Hill (1969)
183. Godzilla - Ishirô Honda (1954)
184. Inception - Christopher Nolan (2010)
185. Mary Poppins - Robert Stevenson (1964)
186. Ikiru - Akira Kurosawa (1952)
187. The Big Parade - King Vidor (1925)
188. The Great Train Robbery - Edwin S. Porter (1903)
189. The Adventures of Robin Hood - Michael Curtiz & William Keighley (1938)
190. The Jazz Singer - Alan Crosland (1927)
191. Dracula - Tod Browning (1931)
192. Ugetsu - Kenji Mizoguchi (1953)
193. Roman Holiday - William Wyler (1953)
194. American Graffiti - George Lucas (1973)
195. Napoléon - Abel Gance (1927)
196. Greed - Erich von Stroheim (1924)
197. His Girl Friday - Howard Hawks (1940)
198. The Philadelphia Story - George Cukor (1940)
199. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon - Ang Lee (2000)
200. A Fistful of Dollars - Sergio Leone (1964)

Dubrow555 · **Joined:** Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:51 pm **Posts:** 2162

Gonna try some new things: (I also support Pan’s > Finding Nemo)

176. No Country for Old Men
177. WALL - E
178. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
179. Godzilla
180. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
181. Inception*
182. Monty Python and the Holy Grail
183. Pan’s Labyrinth*
184. Ikiru
185. American Beauty
186. His Girl Friday
187. The Philadelphia Story
188. The Great Train Robbery
189. Mad Max: Fury Road*
190. Se7en*
191. The Usual Suspects*
192. The Social Network*
193. Boyhood*
194. MASH
195. Oldboy*
196. Finding Nemo*
197. Mary Poppins
198. Get Out
199. Beauty and the Beast
200. Everything Everywhere All At Once

*Denotes decade list inconsistency

I already referenced my justification for Inception>Mad Max>Social Network in a previous post. This is a lot, but if we are making significant changes to the decade lists like with Avatar, hope you don’t mind some discussion:

-Finding Nemo vs. Pan’s Labyrinth: FN easily wins popularity, PL easily wins acclaim, influence I’d give to PL for being GDT’s breakout into the mainstream and some influence in makeup/CGI/creature design

-Finding Nemo vs. Oldboy: pretty straightforward, Finding Nemo easily wins popularity, Oldboy easily wins acclaim. When coming down to influence, Oldboy should absolutely be ahead - huge breakout for Korean cinema and Wook’s breakthrough into the mainstream. It also led to an American remake and lots of ripoff movies (like the “Indian version) over the years. Finding Nemo already has an popularity advantage being a part of the Pixar brand which was already well established.

-Usual Suspects vs. Se7en: Looking back, I’m surprised everyone was so unanimous with Usual Suspects being ahead:

Initial popularity: easily Se7en
Initial acclaim: easily US
Lasting Popularity: Se7en
Lasting Critical Acclaim easily Se7en
Lasting Audience Acclaim: close with a slight advantage to Se7en

So when it all comes down to influence, it seemed most people were on board with US winning influence because it helped to establish some of the “twist endings” trends we saw at the time (and maybe Kevin Spacey’s breakout as well). However I do feel that Se7en has enough influence to pull ahead. Some of the material on the wiki:

“It remains influential in filmmaking, inspiring many imitators of its aesthetic, style, and premise of detectives investigating serial killers with distinctive methods and motives.”

“The film's title sequence, which depicts the killer preparing for his actions later in the film, is considered an important design innovation and has also influenced later credit sequences,”

In addition, it was a turning point in Brad Pitt’s career that allowed him to focus on more serious/dramatic roles, while also being Fincher’s first real successful breakout. A lot of serial killer/criminal TV shows have cited the film as an influence - and most recently both “The Batman” and “Saw Spiral” have cited the film as well. So I don’t think saying Se7en also wins influence is unjust…

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-I’d like to hear the breakdown between No Country and WALL-E. Overall criteria feels pretty close, neither are particularly influential. I’m wondering if we can give No Country a slight advantage for winning Best Picture and generally elevating The Coen Brother’s to a new status as both writers and directors.

-Also, would “Fistful of Dollars” > “Once Upon a Time in America” feel right to everyone?

Tim · **Joined:** Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:47 pm **Posts:** 11198

Can we please not have EEAAO in the top 200?

ManPerson · **Posted:** Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:44 pm

I mean, it's just one list. But yeah, I don't see it either.

ManPerson · **Posted:** Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:53 pm

Dubrow555 wrote:

Gonna try some new things: (I also support Pan’s > Finding Nemo)

176. No Country for Old Men
177. WALL - E
178. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
179. Godzilla
180. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
181. Inception*
182. Monty Python and the Holy Grail
183. Pan’s Labyrinth*
184. Ikiru
185. American Beauty
186. His Girl Friday
187. The Philadelphia Story
188. The Great Train Robbery
189. Mad Max: Fury Road*
190. Se7en*
191. The Usual Suspects*
192. The Social Network*
193. Boyhood*
194. MASH
195. Oldboy*
196. Finding Nemo*
197. Mary Poppins
198. Get Out
199. Beauty and the Beast
200. Everything Everywhere All At Once

*Denotes decade list inconsistency

I already referenced my justification for Inception>Mad Max>Social Network in a previous post. This is a lot, but if we are making significant changes to the decade lists like with Avatar, hope you don’t mind some discussion:

-Finding Nemo vs. Pan’s Labyrinth: FN easily wins popularity, PL easily wins acclaim, influence I’d give to PL for being GDT’s breakout into the mainstream and some influence in makeup/CGI/creature design

-Finding Nemo vs. Oldboy: pretty straightforward, Finding Nemo easily wins popularity, Oldboy easily wins acclaim. When coming down to influence, Oldboy should absolutely be ahead - huge breakout for Korean cinema and Wook’s breakthrough into the mainstream. It also led to an American remake and lots of ripoff movies (like the “Indian version) over the years. Finding Nemo already has an popularity advantage being a part of the Pixar brand which was already well established.

I'd agree with Oldboy > Finding Nemo but I'd say everything else ahead of it is just as if not more influential.

-Usual Suspects vs. Se7en: Looking back, I’m surprised everyone was so unanimous with Usual Suspects being ahead:

Initial popularity: easily Se7en
Initial acclaim: easily US
Lasting Popularity: Se7en
Lasting Critical Acclaim easily Se7en
Lasting Audience Acclaim: close with a slight advantage to Se7en

So when it all comes down to influence, it seemed most people were on board with US winning influence because it helped to establish some of the “twist endings” trends we saw at the time (and maybe Kevin Spacey’s breakout as well). However I do feel that Se7en has enough influence to pull ahead. Some of the material on the wiki:

“It remains influential in filmmaking, inspiring many imitators of its aesthetic, style, and premise of detectives investigating serial killers with distinctive methods and motives.”

“The film's title sequence, which depicts the killer preparing for his actions later in the film, is considered an important design innovation and has also influenced later credit sequences,”

In addition, it was a turning point in Brad Pitt’s career that allowed him to focus on more serious/dramatic roles, while also being Fincher’s first real successful breakout. A lot of serial killer/criminal TV shows have cited the film as an influence - and most recently both “The Batman” and “Saw Spiral” have cited the film as well. So I don’t think saying Se7en also wins influence is unjust…

______________________________________________________________________
-I’d like to hear the breakdown between No Country and WALL-E. Overall criteria feels pretty close, neither are particularly influential. I’m wondering if we can give No Country a slight advantage for winning Best Picture and generally elevating The Coen Brother’s to a new status as both writers and directors.

Initial Acclaim: Close, maybe No Country for Old Men slightly
Lasting Critical Acclaim: No Country For Old Men close
Lasting Audience Acclaim: Wall-E slightly
Intial Popularity: Wall-e fairly easily
Lasting Popularity:
IMDB
Wall-e: 1.2m
No Country: 1m
Letterboxd
Wall-e: 2m
No Country: 1.2m
RT
Wall-e: 598k
No Country for Old Men: 399k
So Wall-E fairly easily

So
Acclaim: No Country For Old Men slightly
Popularity: Wall-E fairly easily
Influence: Wall-E isn't hugely influential but I think it takes this as well

-Also, would “Fistful of Dollars” > “Once Upon a Time in America” feel right to everyone?

Yes

Tim · **Joined:** Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:47 pm **Posts:** 11198

I don't know if I want to move Finding Nemo down. Feel like having it and WALL·E relatively close to each other is only right. It's popularity win seems more fundamental than Pan’s Labyrinth acclaim win and I wouldn't credit Pan with a major influence either. You could say, it's unfair comparing a Pixar animated film with a Spanish film in terms of popularity but, well, what can you do. Oldboy I would say is meaningfully more influential but the popularity gap is pretty big in this case as well.

wiki wrote:

Premiering in Los Angeles on May 18, Finding Nemo was released in theaters in the United States on May 30, 2003. Upon its release, it received widespread acclaim from critics, who praised the visual elements, screenplay, animation, Newman's score and characters that have been cited as funny to both young moviegoers and their parents. It also became the highest-grossing animated film at the time of its release, and was the second-highest-grossing film of 2003, earning a total of $871 million worldwide by the end of its initial theatrical run. The film received three nominations at the 76th Academy Awards, winning one for Best Animated Feature, becoming the first Pixar film to do so.

wiki wrote:

Finding Nemo is the best-selling DVD title of all time, with over 40 million copies sold as of 2006, and was the highest-grossing G-rated film of all time before Pixar's own Toy Story 3 overtook it. The film was re-released in 3D in 2012. In 2008, the American Film Institute named it as the 10th greatest American animated film as part of their 10 Top 10 lists. A sequel, Finding Dory, was released in June 2016.

Dubrow555 · **Joined:** Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:51 pm **Posts:** 2162

Maybe we can move Oldboy up a few spots then, instead? It certainly beats Brokeback Mountain in lasting popularity and lasting audience acclaim. Lasting critical acclaim is very close, influence might be close as well.

Dubrow555 · **Joined:** Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:51 pm **Posts:** 2162

Tim wrote:

Can we please not have EEAAO in the top 200?

LOL of course - I was just trying something

ManPerson · **Posted:** Wed Aug 30, 2023 8:09 pm

Dubrow555 wrote:

Maybe we can move Oldboy up a few spots then, instead? It certainly beats Brokeback Mountain in lasting popularity and lasting audience acclaim. Lasting critical acclaim is very close, influence might be close as well.

Oldboy's has a decent amount of influence but I think Brokeback Mountain's portrayal of gay people was more influential.

Tim · **Joined:** Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:47 pm **Posts:** 11198

Dubrow555 wrote:

Tim wrote:

Can we please not have EEAAO in the top 200?

LOL of course - I was just trying something

Got it. I am not even sure EEAAO would be my #1 of the 2020s tho.

Dubrow555 · **Joined:** Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:51 pm **Posts:** 2162

Tim wrote:

Dubrow555 wrote:

Tim wrote:

Can we please not have EEAAO in the top 200?

LOL of course - I was just trying something

Got it. I am not even sure EEAAO would be my #1 of the 2020s tho.

You thinking Dune? Or something from this year?

Tim · **Joined:** Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:47 pm **Posts:** 11198

I think we will be over the top 500 before we create the 2023 list. Dune wins popularity, EEAAO acclaim, neither yet is influential. Close.

Dubrow555 · **Joined:** Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:51 pm **Posts:** 2162

Tim wrote:

I think we will be over the top 500 before we create the 2023 list. Dune wins popularity, EEAAO acclaim, neither yet is influential. Close.

I could see both somewhere in the top 500...

Dubrow555 · **Joined:** Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:51 pm **Posts:** 2162

ManPerson wrote:

Dubrow555 wrote:

Maybe we can move Oldboy up a few spots then, instead? It certainly beats Brokeback Mountain in lasting popularity and lasting audience acclaim. Lasting critical acclaim is very close, influence might be close as well.

Oldboy's has a decent amount of influence but I think Brokeback Mountain's portrayal of gay people was more influential.

Gay people > Koreans = based

Bruno · **Joined:** Fri Nov 25, 2011 8:00 am **Posts:** 3702

176. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid - George Roy Hill (1969)
177. Godzilla - Ishirô Honda (1954)
178. Monty Python and the Holy Grail - Terry Gilliam and Terry Jones (1975)
179. His Girl Friday - Howard Hawks (1940)
180. American Beauty - Sam Mendes (1999)
181. Ghostbusters - Ivan Reitman (1984)
182. Airplane! - Jerry Zucker, Jim Abrahams, and David Zucker (1980)
183. The Philadelphia Story - George Cukor (1940)
184. Mary Poppins - Robert Stevenson (1964)
185. Brief Encounter - David Lean (1945)
186. M*A*S*H - Robert Altman (1970)
187. American Graffiti - George Lucas (1973)
188. Ikiru - Akira Kurosawa (1952)
189. Ugetsu - Kenji Mizoguchi (1953)
190. Ran - Akira Kurosawa (1985)
191. A Fistful of Dollars - Sergio Leone (1964)
192. American Graffiti - George Lucas (1973)
193. The Adventures of Robin Hood - Michael Curtiz & William Keighley (1938)
194. Dracula - Tod Browning (1931)
195. Dirty Harry - Don Siegel (1971)
196. Once Upon a Time in America - Sergio Leone (1984)
197. No Country for Old Men - Joel & Ethan Coen (2007)
198. WALL·E - Andrew Stanton (2008)
199. The Social Network - David Fincher (2010)
200. The Big Parade - King Vidor (1925)

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