The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame

ManPerson · **Posted:** Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:58 pm

I really hope the musical excellence category doesn't just turn into "important artists in genres that our voters don't like".

Bruce · **Posted:** Sat Feb 10, 2024 6:06 pm

They waited to finally nominate Kool & The Gang until 2 of their main members died in recent times. Kool is still alive though.

Except for one guy, every original member of the band went to the same high school as my ex-wife, Lincoln High School in Jersey City. I officiated a few basketball games there, including one real intense battle between Lincoln and another school's girls teams. There was bad blood because the other school was a private school that had taken a couple of good players away from Lincoln's team.

The place was packed with fans and crazy that night.

Taupin-Cetera · **Posted:** Sat Feb 10, 2024 7:07 pm

8 members of Kool & The Gang are being nominated. It should be 9. Clifford Adams joined the group the same time as J.T. Taylor.

Kool & the Gang

01. Robert Bell (1969-Present: bass, vocals)
02. Ronald Bell (1969-2020: saxophone) DEAD
03. George Brown (1969-2023: drums) DEAD
04. Dennis Thomas (1969-2021: saxophone) DEAD
05. Claydes Charles Smith (1969-2006: guitar) DEAD
06. Robert Mickens (1969-1986: trumpet, vocals) DEAD
07. Ricky West (1969-1976: keyboards) DEAD
08. James "J.T." Taylor (1978-1996; 2001: vocals)
09. Clifford Adams (1978-2015: trombone) DEAD
10. Michael Ray (1979-Present: trumpet)
11. Curtis Williams (1982-Present: saxophone, keyboards)

Taupin-Cetera · **Posted:** Sat Feb 10, 2024 8:56 pm

THE 2024 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES

WHEN VOTING FOR SENIORITY

Cher
Ozzy Osbourne
Peter Frampton
Kool & The Gang
Foreigner

WHEN VOTING FOR THE MOST RECENT ACTS

Dave Matthews Band
Oasis
Mary J. Blige
Mariah Carey
A Tribe Called Quest

WHEN VOTING FOR THE REST

Sade
Sinead O’Conner
Eric B. & Rakim
Jane’s Addiction
Lenny Kravitz

WHEN VOTING FOR WOMEN

Cher
Sade
Sinead O’Connor
Mariah Carey
Mary J. Blige

WHEN VOTING ROCKIST

Ozzy Osbourne
Peter Frampton
Foreigner
Jane’s Addiction
Lenny Kravitz

WHEN VOTING FOR BANDS

Kool & The Gang
Foreigner
Sade
Jane's Addiction
Dave Matthews Band
Oasis

WHEN VOTING FOR SOLO ARTISTS

Cher
Ozzy Osbourne
Peter Frampton
Sinead O'Connor
Lenny Kravitz
Mariah Carey
Mary J. Blige

WHEN VOTING BLACK

Kool & The Gang
Eric B. & Rakim
Lenny Kravitz
A Tribe Called Quest
Mary J. Blige

WORST CASE SCENARIO

Mary J. Blige
Mariah Carey
Sinead O’Connor
Eric B. & Rakim
A Tribe Called Quest

Ryan · **Joined:** Thu Oct 07, 2010 10:46 am **Posts:** 5776

ManPerson wrote:

I really hope the musical excellence category doesn't just turn into "important artists in genres that our voters don't like".

Too late! That's probably why they changed the name of the category in the first place, from "sidemen" to "musical excellence", which is vague and doesn't really mean anything in particular.

Taupin-Cetera · **Posted:** Sat Feb 10, 2024 9:33 pm

Rock Hall of Fame: Cher, Ozzy Osbourne, Oasis, Mariah Carey, Sinéad O’Connor Lead Nominees
Mary J. Blige, Sade, Dave Matthews Band, Eric B. & Rakim, Foreigner, Peter Frampton, Jane's Addiction, Kool & the Gang, Lenny Kravitz, and A Tribe Called Quest are also on the ballot
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/musi ... 234964745/

Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Unveils 2024 Nominees
The Class of 2024 nominees include a ton of first-timers.
https://www.billboard.com/music/awards/ ... 235604408/

2024 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Nominees: Induction Odds From Least to Most Likely
Here's how we handicap this year's Rock & Roll Hall of Fame class and their chances of induction.
https://www.billboard.com/lists/rock-ha ... c-b-rakim/

Taupin-Cetera · **Posted:** Sat Feb 10, 2024 10:01 pm

MY 2024 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME FAN BALLOT
Cher * Ozzy Osbourne * Peter Frampton * Kool & The Gang * Foreigner

Taupin-Cetera · **Posted:** Sat Feb 10, 2024 10:48 pm

If Ozzy Osbourne is inducted this year, he'll join Rod Stewart as the other artist who waited 18 years between his first and second induction.

Taupin-Cetera wrote:

THE NUMBER OF YEARS AN ARTIST HAD TO WAIT
BETWEEN THEIR FIRST AND THEIR SECOND INDUCTION
INTO THE ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME

01. 0 Years - Stephen Stills
02. 1 Year - Clyde McPhatter, Eric Clapton
03. 2 Years - Neil Young
04. 3 Years - Jimmy Page, John Carter
05. 4 Years - Michael Jackson, Sammy Strain, Peter Gabriel
06. 5 Years -
07. 6 Years - John Lennon, David Crosby
08. 7 Years - Dave Grohl
09. 8 Years - Curtis Mayfield
10. 9 Years -
11. 10 Years -
12. 11 Years - Paul McCartney, Paul Simon
13. 12 Years -
14. 13 Years - Graham Nash
15. 14 Years -
16. 15 Years -
17. 16 Years - George Harrison
18. 17 Years - Jeff Beck
19. 18 Years - Rod Stewart
20. 19 Years - Lou Reed, Greg Rolie
21. 20 Years -
22. 21 Years - Stevie Nicks
23. 22 Years -
24. 23 Years - Ron Wood
25. 24 Years -
26. 25 Years -
27. 26 Years -
28. 27 Years - Ringo Starr
29. 28 Years -
30. 29 Years -
31. 30 Years - Tina Turner
32. 31 Years - Carole King

THE NUMBER OF YEARS AN ARTIST HAD TO WAIT
BETWEEN THEIR FIRST AND THEIR THIRD INDUCTION
INTO THE ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME

01. 8 Years - Eric Clapton

THE NUMBER OF YEARS AN ARTIST HAD TO WAIT
BETWEEN THEIR SECOND AND THEIR THIRD INDUCTION
INTO THE ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME

01. 7 Years - Eric Clapton

Ryan · **Joined:** Thu Oct 07, 2010 10:46 am **Posts:** 5776

Sampson's write-up is up. I think he underrates a few artists as he is wont to do, but overall it's what you expect. He doesn't really outright hate anyone.

https://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best ... -2024.html

I disagree with him that DMB is "devoid of influence", though. There's quite a few popular acts from the last 25 years that were influenced strongly by DMB: John Mayer, Jack Johnson, Jason Mraz, and the Zac Brown Band in particular. Some of these artists were also influenced by Phish, who don't have the record sales or radio hits that DMB had, but seem to be the more enduring act - there is something to be said about a musical group who sells out Madison Square Garden every New Year's Eve.

Foreigner, Frampton, and Kravitz are probably the weakest candidates on the ballot, but those are all well-known artists with big hits and an argument to be made for each of them, so they're not egregious picks. There are plenty of other enduring, well remembered and hitmaking artists of the 1970s AOR and classic rock era that are not in yet - Supertramp, Boston, Blue Oyster Cult, REO Speedwagon, Bad Company, Grand Funk Railroad - and I'm not exactly sure what separates Foreigner from that pack. I would certainly prefer to see saxophonist Ian MacDonald to be inducted with King Crimson, who have never made the ballot either, over Foreigner. Maybe I just need to talk to a really big Foreigner fan to hear their whole case laid out.

ManPerson · **Posted:** Sun Feb 11, 2024 5:03 pm

Outside of not giving dmb any credit for influence and underrating Oasis I find Sampson's comments pretty agreeable this time around..

Tim · **Joined:** Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:47 pm **Posts:** 11199

ManPerson wrote:

I really hope the musical excellence category doesn't just turn into "important artists in genres that our voters don't like".

Always has been.

ManPerson · **Posted:** Sun Feb 11, 2024 5:58 pm

Ryan wrote:

Sampson's write-up is up. I think he underrates a few artists as he is wont to do, but overall it's what you expect. He doesn't really outright hate anyone.

https://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best ... -2024.html

I disagree with him that DMB is "devoid of influence", though. There's quite a few popular acts from the last 25 years that were influenced strongly by DMB: John Mayer, Jack Johnson, Jason Mraz, and the Zac Brown Band in particular. Some of these artists were also influenced by Phish, who don't have the record sales or radio hits that DMB had, but seem to be the more enduring act - there is something to be said about a musical group who sells out Madison Square Garden every New Year's Eve.

Foreigner, Frampton, and Kravitz are probably the weakest candidates on the ballot, but those are all well-known artists with big hits and an argument to be made for each of them, so they're not egregious picks. There are plenty of other enduring, well remembered and hitmaking artists of the 1970s AOR and classic rock era that are not in yet - Supertramp, Boston, Blue Oyster Cult, REO Speedwagon, Bad Company, Grand Funk Railroad - and I'm not exactly sure what separates Foreigner from that pack. I would certainly prefer to see saxophonist Ian MacDonald to be inducted with King Crimson, who have never made the ballot either, over Foreigner. Maybe I just need to talk to a really big Foreigner fan to hear their whole case laid out.

Popularity certainly isn't everything but Foreigner do have a ton of it, probably more than any of the artists you mentioned. I'd say their credentials are better than DMB's with popularity going to Foreigner and influence going to DMB but not by as much.

Ryan · **Joined:** Thu Oct 07, 2010 10:46 am **Posts:** 5776

ManPerson wrote:

Popularity certainly isn't everything but Foreigner do have a ton of it, probably more than any of the artists you mentioned. I'd say their credentials are better than DMB's with popularity going to Foreigner and influence going to DMB but not by as much.

Dave Matthews Band's album sales are quite surprising. Album sales usually do not tell everything about the popularity of jam bands - a style whose most popular and acclaimed music is typically distributed for free by fans who recorded their concerts, particularly in its 1990s heydey - but DMB have sold 34.5 million albums in the United States. That puts them at #51 on this list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_h ... ted_States

Foreigner is a couple spots ahead of them at #44 with 38 million copies.

Of course, Mariah Carey is the best selling nominee on that list, at #7 with 75 million copies in the US alone tied with Pink Floyd and AC/DC. She is the best selling female musical artist of all-time in the US. Taylor Swift still has a ways to catch up with her.

Taupin-Cetera · **Posted:** Sun Feb 11, 2024 8:50 pm

Mariah Carey is # 9 in total votes on Future Rock Legends. She's not in the Top 10 in Yes votes, but she's # 6 in No votes. She's the only 2024 nominee for the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame on any of the Top 10 lists on Future Rock Legends. If inducted this year, she will be the only artist Future Rock Legends voters got right this year. Her induction will make way for a new artist to join the Top 10 in voting on Future Rock Legends.

https://futurerocklegends.com/Statistics/

Taupin-Cetera · **Posted:** Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:12 am

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