The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame

Ryan · **Joined:** Thu Oct 07, 2010 10:46 am **Posts:** 5776

Brian wrote:

He said her "Prince cover" was the only time Sinead came anywhere near rock 'n' roll. I bet he hasn't heard anything from her 1st album.

What does he think Sinead O'Connor sounded like?!

Her two most popular songs outside of "Nothing Compares" are "The Emperor's New Clothes" and "Mandinka", which are both alternative rock songs full of guitars. "Emperor's" was even a #1 hit on the Alternative chart in 1990.

Brian wrote:

His version of music history was interesting too. He said something like jazz came from big band music, R&B came from jazz, blues came from R&B, and rock 'n' roll came from blues.

Don't send this to Sampson, he might explode.

ManPerson · **Posted:** Sun Feb 18, 2024 12:24 am

Brian wrote:

Taupin-Cetera wrote:

Some Things Don't Belong on the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ballot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ7a5yYm0R8

No sooner did Ryan mention the tediousness of people complaining about "non-rock" artists being on the ballot than we get link to another such person. His "non-rock artists" were O'Connor, Blige and A Tribe Called Quest. He didn't comment on Eric B & Rakim because he said he'd never heard of them (in which case he might have wanted to do a little quick research before posting a video on Youtube). He thought that maybe artists like this get nominated because liberals are always pushing for diversity, and that might also be the reason that Cher was on the ballot instead of Sonny & Cher - Sonny may have been excluded for being a Republican.

He said her "Prince cover" was the only time Sinead came anywhere near rock 'n' roll. I bet he hasn't heard anything from her 1st album.

His version of music history was interesting too. He said something like jazz came from big band music, R&B came from jazz, blues came from R&B, and rock 'n' roll came from blues.

I clicked on the video out of curiosity and I saw that the guy who made the video hearted a comment saying (I shit you not) that it's a disgrace that Billy Squier has never been nominated.

Ryan · **Joined:** Thu Oct 07, 2010 10:46 am **Posts:** 5776

This is a good article from a decade ago about the Rock Hall that I think is right on the money with a lot of the stock complaints that always come up, which ones are valid and which ones are not (you can probably guess which ones are not).

https://www.npr.org/sections/therecord/ ... ll-of-fame

Specifically

Quote:

Gripe: The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has the wrong name

Sure, they could have named it the Late Twentieth Century Popular Music Hall of Fame. But that wouldn't have been pithy. Must we endure the two billionth joke that it's not called the Disco Hall of Fame or the Rap Hall of Fame? And by the way, that other quip, "Hey, I have no problem if LL Cool J gets into the Rap Hall of Fame, just don't put him in the Rock Hall," isn't any more egalitarian; it's arguably worse. Separate-but-equal is a bad look.

The very first induction class to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, in 1986, included the so-called Godfather of Soul (among many R&B-based acts), as well as a duo equally well known for its country songs. Rock and roll has never had clear boundaries — not at the start, not at your imagined peak, not now. Get over it.

Verdict: Not worth complaining about

Taupin-Cetera · **Posted:** Sun Feb 18, 2024 3:04 pm

Real Music Fans Are Forcing The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame To Be Rock and Roll Again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPgF1sIQsxA

He wants Kool & the Gang inducted, not A Tribe Called Quest and Eric B. & Rakim

ROCK N ROLL HALL OF FAME | Why it is sh!te
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdrxafT8sBk

MUSICIANS WHO DON'T DESERVE TO BE IN THE ROCK & ROLL HALL OF FAME (REACTION)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFWd3USUVY8

ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME NOMINEES 2024 REACTION
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7wJN-fkIlE

2024 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame | Nominees, Tributes & Predictions (Feat. Ethan McDonald)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzLX8jOFrcI

Ryan · **Joined:** Thu Oct 07, 2010 10:46 am **Posts:** 5776

Taupin, I don't think we want to see any more of these. They're not especially informative or insightful.

Brian · **Joined:** Wed Oct 06, 2010 2:52 pm **Posts:** 4300

Ryan wrote:

Brian wrote:

He said her "Prince cover" was the only time Sinead came anywhere near rock 'n' roll. I bet he hasn't heard anything from her 1st album.

What does he think Sinead O'Connor sounded like?!

Her two most popular songs outside of "Nothing Compares" are "The Emperor's New Clothes" and "Mandinka", which are both alternative rock songs full of guitars. "Emperor's" was even a #1 hit on the Alternative chart in 1990.

Yes, that was a strange comment. He didn't elaborate at all, or say why she wasn't rock, or say what she was instead. If anything, the 2 songs that you mentioned are more rock than "Nothing Compares". I suspect he knows little about her and just bluffed his way through it.

Ryan wrote:

Brian wrote:

His version of music history was interesting too. He said something like jazz came from big band music, R&B came from jazz, blues came from R&B, and rock 'n' roll came from blues.

Don't send this to Sampson, he might explode.

Brian · **Joined:** Wed Oct 06, 2010 2:52 pm **Posts:** 4300

Ryan wrote:

Taupin, I don't think we want to see any more of these. They're not especially informative or insightful.

Yes, I think that we can do without any more youtube videos about the nominees. If someone on the internet has something worth saying about the nominees, one is more likely to find it in an article. Even there, one should be selective.

Brian · **Joined:** Wed Oct 06, 2010 2:52 pm **Posts:** 4300

ManPerson wrote:

Brian wrote:

Taupin-Cetera wrote:

Some Things Don't Belong on the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ballot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ7a5yYm0R8

No sooner did Ryan mention the tediousness of people complaining about "non-rock" artists being on the ballot than we get link to another such person. His "non-rock artists" were O'Connor, Blige and A Tribe Called Quest. He didn't comment on Eric B & Rakim because he said he'd never heard of them (in which case he might have wanted to do a little quick research before posting a video on Youtube). He thought that maybe artists like this get nominated because liberals are always pushing for diversity, and that might also be the reason that Cher was on the ballot instead of Sonny & Cher - Sonny may have been excluded for being a Republican.

He said her "Prince cover" was the only time Sinead came anywhere near rock 'n' roll. I bet he hasn't heard anything from her 1st album.

His version of music history was interesting too. He said something like jazz came from big band music, R&B came from jazz, blues came from R&B, and rock 'n' roll came from blues.

I clicked on the video out of curiosity and I saw that the guy who made the video hearted a comment saying (I shit you not) that it's a disgrace that Billy Squier has never been nominated.

It seems like for every electric guitar oriented artist from the late '60s to early '80s that had a couple of hits, there's someone that thinks they should be in the Hall of Fame.

Taupin-Cetera · **Posted:** Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:52 pm

SAMPSON OF DIGITAL DREAM DOOR RATES AND CRITIQUES
THE 2024 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME NOMINEES

https://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best ... -2024.html

9 - Mariah Carey
8 - Kool & The Gang
8 - A Tribe Called Quest
8 - Eric B. & Rakim
8 - Mary J. Blige
7 - Sade
6 - Cher
6 - Ozzy Osbourne
6 - Peter Frampton
6 - Foreigner
6 - Sinead O'Connor
6 - Jane's Addiction
6 - Oasis
5 - Lenny Kravitz
5 - Dave Matthews Band

HOW SAMPSON RATED THE 2024 NOMINEES BEFORE THEY WERE NOMINATED

Mariah Carey - Outside Genre Possibility
8 - Kool & The Gang
7 - A Tribe Called Quest
8 - Eric B. & Rakim
9 - Mary J. Blige
Sade - NOT LISTED
Cher - NOT LISTED
Ozzy Osbourne - NOT LISTED
Peter Frampton - NOT LISTED
Foreigner - NOT LISTED
Sinead O'Connor - NOT LISTED
6 - Jane's Addiction
7 - Oasis
Lenny Kravitz - NOT LISTED
Dave Matthews Band - NOT LISTED

A Tribe Called Quest went up from a 7 to an 8
Mary J. Blige went down from a 9 to an 8
Oasis went down from a 7 to a 6

Kool & The Gang, Eric B. & Rakim, Jane's Addiction stayed the same.

Critiques and Ratings (12 pages)

150 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Candidates by Sampson of Digital Dream Door

https://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best ... me_x1.html

THE CURRENT ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME QUALIFICATION SCALE
BY SAMPSON OF DIGITAL DREAM DOOR

10 - The Immortals
9 - Deserves To Be A First Ballot Lock
8 - Should Be Guaranteed An Induction
7 - An Eventual Induction Is Likely
6 - Should Be Nominated At Some Point
5 - Worthy Of At Least A Debate For A Nomination
4 - Not Insignificant, But Shouldn't Be Nominated
3 - No Business Being Debated By Committee
2 - No Business Being Even Mentioned
1 - No Business Visiting The Hall Of Fame Without a Ticket

THE OLD ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME QUALIFICATION SCALE
BY SAMPSON OF DIGITAL DREAM DOOR

1 - Non-existant
2 - Mostly Insignificant
3 - Recognizable, But Minor Credentials
4 - Modest Accomplishments
5 - Worth Examining, But Will Often Fall Short
6 - Strong Case To Be Made
7 - Solid Choice
8 - Unquestioned Credentials
9 - Dominant Artist
10 - The Immortals

Click the link above to read the critiques and ratings (12 pages)

• Candidates A-C
• Candidates C-F
• Candidates G-K
• Candidates L-P
• Candidates P-S
• Candidates T-Z
• Unlikely Candidates
• Sidemen Candidates
• Early Influences
• Outside Genre
• Non-Performers
• Inductees 1986-Present

Ryan · **Joined:** Thu Oct 07, 2010 10:46 am **Posts:** 5776

Taupin, this is DigitalDreamDoor. You don't need to explain Sampson's ratings scale back to us.

Brian · **Joined:** Wed Oct 06, 2010 2:52 pm **Posts:** 4300

Taupin-Cetera wrote:

A Tribe Called Quest went up from a 7 to an 8

Sampson is still showing a 7 for A Tribe Called Quest on his RnR Hall of Fame page, but he did give them an 8 last year and the year before in his pages about the nominees for each of those years.

Taupin-Cetera · **Posted:** Wed Feb 21, 2024 12:57 am

Taupin-Cetera · **Posted:** Sun Feb 25, 2024 12:12 am

David Wild with Peter Frampton and Lenny Kravitz

Taupin-Cetera · **Posted:** Tue Feb 27, 2024 1:06 am

Ryan · **Joined:** Thu Oct 07, 2010 10:46 am **Posts:** 5776

My thoughts on the Rock Hall nominees this year and who I think has a shot at making it in

https://inbetweendrafts.com/predicting- ... inductees/

My class prediction, in case you just want to jump to that

Mariah Carey
Cher
Peter Frampton
Kool & The Gang
Lenny Kravitz
Ozzy Osbourne
A Tribe Called Quest
Musical influence: Eric B & Rakim

On the bubble:Sinead O'Connor, Oasis, Sade, Foreigner

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