100 Greatest Rock Guitarists (Alternative Version)

Eric J · **Joined:** Sat Oct 16, 2010 10:07 am **Posts:** 7010

Echoes, any opinion on this?

vankush wrote:

Echoes wrote:

I disagree. I think that George is right.

IMO Clapton´s way is the standard when playing wah wah.

I disagree with you. I think most guys that make extensive use of the way follow the Hendrix route of using it to explore textures and make a song more intense, either when repeating a chord of group of notes a few times, or when shredding and playing fast. I'm thinking of guys like Zakk Wylde, Steve Vai, guys that like to make songs intense. Clapton only used it on a few songs, and he didn't do much with it but just make the notes sound cool, other than that it was a regular solo, not nearly as many people follow Clapton in that sense.

Echoes · **Joined:** Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:43 am **Posts:** 4564

I was waiting for George to join the discussion.

IMO Clapton was the first to use wah wah “to explore textures and make a song more intense”:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BGlFsf9DM8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InCXnxPLSBU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWzrXs4S ... re=related

In fact, I think that Tales influenced Hendrix:

When it came to pre-Jimi guitar heroes, Clapton was, well, God. Hell, when Chas Chandler told Hendrix he wanted to take him back to the U.K. and record him, the first thing Hendrix asked was, “Can you introduce me to Eric Clapton?” But by the time Clapton and Cream were to record their highly anticipated second album, Disraeli Gears, Hendrix had changed the playing field immensely—so E.C. needed to bring it. With engineer Tom Dowd (Aretha Franklin, Otis Redding) and producer Felix Pappalardi at the mixing desk, Cream were enjoying an embarrassment of riches for an English rock group—they got to go to America and record on an 8-track machine. Cream also brought their amps across the pond–big, bad 100-watt JTM Marshalls—although photos from the sessions suggest there were some small Fender combos used as well. Upon arriving in New York, the band holed up in Atlantic Studios and began recording a new tune of Clapton’s (with lyrics by Australian artist Martin Sharp), “Tales of Brave Ulysses.” During a break from tracking, Clapton hit Manny’s on 48th Street and purchased a Vox wah-wah. The rest, as they say, is history, as “Tales” is the tune that placed the wah in the collective brain of guitarists everywhere—especially Hendrix, who says that tune was the first time he heard the effect.

Without a doubt, the tune (and rite of passage for any budding blues/rock guitarist) “Sunshine of Your Love” is the track Disraeli Gears is best known for, with a riff that’s as classic as “Smoke on the Water,” and a solo that is as lyrically keen as anything Clapton has ever committed to tape. And for a guy who already set the world on fire with his supercharged tones on the Bluesbreakers’ “Beano” album nearly two years earlier, Clapton did it again on Disraeli Gears, flaunting his vaunted “woman tone,” which he achieved with various combinations of rolling down his guitar’s tone controls, and/or notching his Vox wah. Prime examples of this trademark howl can be found on “Swlabr,” “Outside Woman Blues” (a tune written by Louisiana bluesman Blind Joe Reynolds), “Blue Condition,” and “We’re Going Wrong.”

Clapton used two guitars for the sessions (save for Clapton’s first—and last—electric 12-string excursion courtesy of a Fender XII on “Dance the Night Away”): a black three-pickup Les Paul Custom, and one of his most famous guitars, the ’64 Gibson SG painted by the Dutch artists known as The Fool. —DF

http://www.guitarplayer.com/article/the ... 2007/26852

After that, I think Clapton established what will be the standard in the use of wah wah (a lot of players like Hammett plays this way):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZeqwdWoeo

Echoes · **Joined:** Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:43 am **Posts:** 4564

Sinisterism wrote:

Why is Kurt so high again?

First, can we agree that Cobain´s guitar playing is really close to the classics?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUHz0i8_ziA[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30ktWPrWPDc[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXcNQTa3zgs[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvyDWGF290M[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ETn88NAlLI[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaWmsSqD2Bg[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTWKbfoikeg[/youtube]

Sodacake · **Posted:** Thu Mar 03, 2011 11:06 pm

Why does that matter?

Sid_Vicious_24 · **Posted:** Thu Mar 03, 2011 11:24 pm

Yeah Echoes, what the fuck was that? That's one of the stupidest things you've ever said.

George · **Joined:** Thu Oct 07, 2010 12:43 pm **Posts:** 5612

Echoes wrote:

I was waiting for George to join the discussion.

i politely decline the invitation

Echoes · **Joined:** Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:43 am **Posts:** 4564

Sodacake wrote:

Why does that matter?

Because I am kind of tired of hearing crap like Cobain can’t play, or Cobain is not a complete guitarist or that he doesn’t have enough chops.

I think that his guitar playing style is not that different from the guitar playing style of some of the guitarists I mentioned.

Sherick · **Joined:** Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:22 pm **Posts:** 10453

Why do you keep bringing up the same things over and over, no matter how much it's shot down? You haven't had a single original thing to say this entire topic. Same goes for every single time you poke your head into the vocalist forum.
Aside from that, your most recent rehashed argument is amongst the dumbest yet and comes off as throwing a temper tantrum after everybody has shot you down. Cobain is not a particularly talented or influential guitarist, get over it.

Echoes · **Joined:** Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:43 am **Posts:** 4564

And why you say that he is not talented?

Sherick · **Joined:** Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:22 pm **Posts:** 10453

Because it has not been proven otherwise.

Echoes · **Joined:** Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:43 am **Posts:** 4564

As soon as the list is done, I will make a Kurt Cobain Guitar Thread!

:metal:

Machine Head · **Posted:** Fri Mar 04, 2011 1:08 am

Echoes wrote:

Any opinions about the list?

I think is more balanced, with guitarists from all genres and from all eras.

1. Jimi Hendrix
2. Eric Clapton
3. Jimmy Page
4. Eddie Van Halen
5. Chuck Berry
6. Jeff Beck
7. Richie Blackmore
8. George Harrison, John Lennon & Paul McCartney (The Beatles)
9. Pete Townshend
10. Tony Iommi
11. Keith Richards
12. Duane Allman
13. Scotty Moore
14. Stevie Ray Voughan
15. Carlos Santana
16. David Gilmour
17. Brian May
18. Robert Fripp
19. Steve Howe
20. Steve Cropper
21. Yngwie Malmsteen
22. Peter Green
23. Mike Bloomfield
24. Frank Zappa
25. Randy Rhoads
26. Joe Satriani
27. Michael Schenker
28. Steve Hackett
29. Jerry Garcia
30. Alex Lifeson
31. Steve Vai
32. Thurston Moore & Lee Ranaldo (Sonic Youth)
33. Slash
33. Bo Diddley
34. Curtis Mayfield
35. Kurt Cobain
36. John Frusciante
37. Jonny Greenwood, Ed O'Brien & Thom Yorke (Radiohead)
38. Link Wray
39. James Burton
40. Mike McCready & Stone Gossard (Pearl Jam)
41. The Edge
42. Dick Dale
43. James Hetfield & Kirk Hammett (Metallica)
44. Eddie Hazel
45. Jerry Cantrell
46. John Fogerty
47. Dave Murray & Adrian Smith (Iron Maiden)
48. Stephen Stills
49. Angus Young & Malcolm Young (AC/DC)
50. Glenn Tipton & K.K. Downing (Judas Priest)
51. Marty Friedman
52. Dave Davies & Ray Davies (The Kinks)
53. Dickey Betts
54. Tom Morello
55. John Petrucci
56. Neal Schon
57. Richie Sambora
58. Warren Haynes
59. Derek Trucks
60. Dimebag Darrell
61. Matt Bellamy

Why do we even bother?

Echoes · **Joined:** Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:43 am **Posts:** 4564

My good pal Machine!

Why don´t you like my list?

:cry:

Machine Head · **Posted:** Fri Mar 04, 2011 5:17 am

Echoes wrote:

Because I am kind of tired of hearing crap like Cobain can’t play, or Cobain is not a complete guitarist or that he doesn’t have enough chops.

I'm kinda tired of you making baseless assumptions, stupid generalisations, dumbass comments and mindless attacks on other guitarists you don't like while glorifying your favourites, then either running away from the argument or insulting people when they question you.

Echoes wrote:

I think that his guitar playing style is not that different from the guitar playing style of some of the guitarists I mentioned.

That kinda counts against him.

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