300 Greatest Movie Actors (Revision Version)

[pauldrach]

82. Jean-Louis Trintignant
90. Jean-Louis Trintignant

Think at least one of them should be Jean-Pierre Léaud.

Absolutely!

[ManPerson]

Adam Sandler should definitely be somewhere on here. Huge popularity + some very highly acclaimed performances.

[ManPerson]

I also think Phoenix could be a bit higher. I'd suggest having him between Downey Jr and Carrey

So, this is what I would suggest
1. Marlon Brando
2. Charles Chaplin
3. Laurence Olivier
4. Robert De Niro
5. James Stewart
6. Jack Nicholson
7. Al Pacino
8. Toshiro Mifune
9. Paul Newman
10. Humphrey Bogart
11. Cary Grant
12. Buster Keaton
13. Dustin Hoffman
14. Marcello Mastroianni
15. John Wayne
16. Daniel Day-Lewis
17. Henry Fonda
18. Alec Guinness
19. Jack Lemmon
20. Jean Gabin
21. Tom Hanks
22. Denzel Washington
23. Gregory Peck
24. Sidney Poitier
25. Gary Cooper
26. James Cagney
27. Gérard Depardieu
28. Spencer Tracy
29. Peter O'Toole
30. Gene Hackman
31. Leonardo DiCaprio
32. Clark Gable
33. Clint Eastwood
34. Richard Burton
35. Max von Sydow
36. Burt Lancaster
37. Robert Mitchum
38. Peter Sellers
39. William Holden
40. Anthony Hopkins
41. Kirk Douglas
42. Michael Caine
43. Morgan Freeman
44. Jean-Paul Belmondo
45. Orson Welles
46. Harold Lloyd
47. Sean Connery
48. Alain Delon
49. Robert Duvall
50. Anthony Quinn
51. Vittorio Gassman
52. Rudolph Valentino
53. George C. Scott
54. Robert Redford
55. Montgomery Clift
56. James Dean
57. Michel Piccoli
58. Klaus Kinski
59. Tom Cruise
60. Harrison Ford
61. Gene Kelly
62. Peter Lorre
63. Fred Astaire
64. Edward G. Robinson
65. Charles Laughton
66. Takashi Shimura
67. Sean Penn
68. Philip Seymour Hoffman
69. Gary Oldman
70. Douglas Fairbanks
71. Max Linder
72. Groucho Marx/The Marx Brothers
73. Ronald Colman
74. Tatsuya Nakadai
75. Johnny Depp
76. Jackie Chan
77. Robin Williams
78. Ben Kingsley
79. Fredric March
80. James Mason
81. Michel Simon
82. Jean-Louis Trintignant
83. Bill Murray
84. Jeff Bridges
85. Amitabh Bachchan
86. Dennis Hopper
87. John Barrymore
88. Chishu Ryu
89. Lon Chaney
90. Tony Leung Chiu-Wai
91. Laurel and Hardy
92. Jean-Pierre Leaud
93. Errol Flynn
94. Bruce Lee
95. Albert Finney
96. Emil Jannings
97. Philippe Noiret
98. John Hurt
99. Russell Crowe
100. Walter Matthau
101. Uttam Kumar
102. Rod Steiger
103. Ralph Fiennes
104. Richard Harris
105. Javier Bardem
106. Woody Allen
107. Raj Kapoor
108. Yves Montand
109. Christian Bale
110. Brad Pitt
111. Warren Beatty
112. Louis de Funès
113. Yul Brynner
114. Charlton Heston
115. Steve McQueen
116. Mickey Rooney
117. Boris Karloff
118. Totò
119. Claude Rains
120. Willem Dafoe
121. Kevin Spacey
122. Samuel L. Jackson
123. Dirk Bogarde
124. John Gielgud
125. Vincent Price
126. Chow Yun-fat
127. Alberto Sordi
128. Conrad Veidt
129. George Clooney
130. Christopher Walken
131. Donald Sutherland
132. Ian McKellen
133. Michael Douglas
134. Dilip Kumar
135. Paul Muni
136. Lee Marvin
137. Jacques Tati
138. Jean Marais
139. Jerry Lewis
140. Robert Downey Jr.
141. Joaquin Phoenix
142. Jim Carrey
143. Rock Hudson
144. Naseeruddin Shah
145. Geoffrey Rush
146. Omar Sharif
147. Roscoe 'Fatty' Arbuckle
148. Peter Finch
149. Lionel Barrymore
150. Rajesh Khanna
151. Sessue Hayakawa
152. King Baggot
153. Jeremy Irons
154. Jon Voight
155. Kenneth Branagh
156. Richard Attenborough
157. Gérard Philipe
158. Erland Josephson
159. Farid Shawqi
160. Ernest Borgnine
161. Matt Damon
162. Shah Rukh Khan
163. Charles Boyer
164. William Hurt
165. Will Smith
166. Bing Crosby
167. Liam Neeson

[Tim]

I also think Phoenix could be a bit higher. I'd suggest having him between Downey Jr and Carrey

So, this is what I would suggest
1. Marlon Brando
2. Charles Chaplin
3. Laurence Olivier
4. Robert De Niro
5. James Stewart
6. Jack Nicholson
7. Al Pacino
8. Toshiro Mifune
9. Paul Newman
10. Humphrey Bogart
11. Cary Grant
12. Buster Keaton
13. Dustin Hoffman
14. Marcello Mastroianni
15. John Wayne
16. Daniel Day-Lewis
17. Henry Fonda
18. Alec Guinness
19. Jack Lemmon
20. Jean Gabin
21. Tom Hanks
22. Denzel Washington
23. Gregory Peck
24. Sidney Poitier
25. Gary Cooper
26. James Cagney
27. Gérard Depardieu
28. Spencer Tracy
29. Peter O'Toole
30. Gene Hackman
31. Leonardo DiCaprio
32. Clark Gable
33. Clint Eastwood
34. Richard Burton
35. Max von Sydow
36. Burt Lancaster
37. Robert Mitchum
38. Peter Sellers
39. William Holden
40. Anthony Hopkins
41. Kirk Douglas
42. Michael Caine
43. Morgan Freeman
44. Jean-Paul Belmondo
45. Orson Welles
46. Harold Lloyd
47. Sean Connery
48. Alain Delon
49. Robert Duvall
50. Anthony Quinn
51. Vittorio Gassman
52. Rudolph Valentino
53. George C. Scott
54. Robert Redford
55. Montgomery Clift
56. James Dean
57. Michel Piccoli
58. Klaus Kinski
59. Tom Cruise
60. Harrison Ford
61. Gene Kelly
62. Peter Lorre
63. Fred Astaire
64. Edward G. Robinson
65. Charles Laughton
66. Takashi Shimura
67. Sean Penn
68. Philip Seymour Hoffman
69. Gary Oldman
70. Douglas Fairbanks
71. Max Linder
72. Groucho Marx/The Marx Brothers
73. Ronald Colman
74. Tatsuya Nakadai
75. Johnny Depp
76. Jackie Chan
77. Robin Williams
78. Ben Kingsley
79. Fredric March
80. James Mason
81. Michel Simon
82. Jean-Louis Trintignant
83. Bill Murray
84. Jeff Bridges
85. Amitabh Bachchan
86. Dennis Hopper
87. John Barrymore
88. Chishu Ryu
89. Lon Chaney
90. Tony Leung Chiu-Wai
91. Laurel and Hardy
92. Jean-Pierre Leaud
93. Errol Flynn
94. Bruce Lee
95. Albert Finney
96. Emil Jannings
97. Philippe Noiret
98. John Hurt
99. Russell Crowe
100. Walter Matthau
101. Uttam Kumar
102. Rod Steiger
103. Ralph Fiennes
104. Richard Harris
105. Javier Bardem
106. Woody Allen
107. Raj Kapoor
108. Yves Montand
109. Christian Bale
110. Brad Pitt
111. Warren Beatty
112. Louis de Funès
113. Yul Brynner
114. Charlton Heston
115. Steve McQueen
116. Mickey Rooney
117. Boris Karloff
118. Totò
119. Claude Rains
120. Willem Dafoe
121. Kevin Spacey
122. Samuel L. Jackson
123. Dirk Bogarde
124. John Gielgud
125. Vincent Price
126. Chow Yun-fat
127. Alberto Sordi
128. Conrad Veidt
129. George Clooney
130. Christopher Walken
131. Donald Sutherland
132. Ian McKellen
133. Michael Douglas
134. Dilip Kumar
135. Paul Muni
136. Lee Marvin
137. Jacques Tati
138. Jean Marais
139. Jerry Lewis
140. Robert Downey Jr.
141. Joaquin Phoenix
142. Jim Carrey
143. Rock Hudson
144. Naseeruddin Shah
145. Geoffrey Rush
146. Omar Sharif
147. Roscoe 'Fatty' Arbuckle
148. Peter Finch
149. Lionel Barrymore
150. Rajesh Khanna
151. Sessue Hayakawa
152. King Baggot
153. Jeremy Irons
154. Jon Voight
155. Kenneth Branagh
156. Richard Attenborough
157. Gérard Philipe
158. Erland Josephson
159. Farid Shawqi
160. Ernest Borgnine
161. Matt Damon
162. Shah Rukh Khan
163. Charles Boyer
164. William Hurt
165. Will Smith
166. Bing Crosby
167. Liam Neeson

Re-working the rest of the top 200 slightly. Only actors I promoted into this range were Viggo Mortensen and William Powell but maybe there are others in need of promotion into this range.

168. Edward Norton
169. Christopher Lee
170. Fernandel
171. Nino Manfredi
172. David Niven
173. Ralph Richardson
174. Erich von Stroheim
175. Daniel Auteuil
176. Richard Dreyfuss
177. William S. Hart
178. Fernando Rey
179. Maximilian Schell
180. Viggo Mortensen
181. Tony Curtis
182. Dev Anand
183. Adel Imam
184. Innokenty Smoktunovsky
185. W.C. Fields
186. Ed Harris
187. Tommy Lee Jones
188. Gene Wilder
189. Walter Brennan
190. Gunnar Björnstrand
191. Bourvil
192. Aamir Khan
193. José Ferrer
194. Fernando Fernán Gómez
195. Nikolay Cherkasov
196. Ryan Gosling
197. Nicolas Cage
198. Michel Serrault
199. Ugo Tognazzi
200. William Powell

[ManPerson]

I could see Auteuil and Wilder a bit higher. Id also have Thomas Mitchell and Harvey Keitel in this range, as they seem pretty comparable to Ed Harris and Tommy Lee Jones.

[Tim]

George Sanders could be in this group too if we are talking character actors.

[ManPerson]

I could see that.

[Tim]

Taking Man's feedback and also bumped Gosling to be up there with Mortensen, just above Curtis.

1. Marlon Brando
2. Charles Chaplin
3. Laurence Olivier
4. Robert De Niro
5. James Stewart
6. Jack Nicholson
7. Al Pacino
8. Toshiro Mifune
9. Paul Newman
10. Humphrey Bogart
11. Cary Grant
12. Buster Keaton
13. Dustin Hoffman
14. Marcello Mastroianni
15. John Wayne
16. Daniel Day-Lewis
17. Henry Fonda
18. Alec Guinness
19. Jack Lemmon
20. Jean Gabin
21. Tom Hanks
22. Denzel Washington
23. Gregory Peck
24. Sidney Poitier
25. Gary Cooper
26. James Cagney
27. Gérard Depardieu
28. Spencer Tracy
29. Peter O'Toole
30. Gene Hackman
31. Leonardo DiCaprio
32. Clark Gable
33. Clint Eastwood
34. Richard Burton
35. Max von Sydow
36. Burt Lancaster
37. Robert Mitchum
38. Peter Sellers
39. William Holden
40. Anthony Hopkins
41. Kirk Douglas
42. Michael Caine
43. Morgan Freeman
44. Jean-Paul Belmondo
45. Orson Welles
46. Harold Lloyd
47. Sean Connery
48. Alain Delon
49. Robert Duvall
50. Anthony Quinn
51. Vittorio Gassman
52. Rudolph Valentino
53. George C. Scott
54. Robert Redford
55. Montgomery Clift
56. James Dean
57. Michel Piccoli
58. Klaus Kinski
59. Tom Cruise
60. Harrison Ford
61. Gene Kelly
62. Peter Lorre
63. Fred Astaire
64. Edward G. Robinson
65. Charles Laughton
66. Takashi Shimura
67. Sean Penn
68. Philip Seymour Hoffman
69. Gary Oldman
70. Douglas Fairbanks
71. Max Linder
72. Groucho Marx/The Marx Brothers
73. Ronald Colman
74. Tatsuya Nakadai
75. Johnny Depp
76. Jackie Chan
77. Robin Williams
78. Ben Kingsley
79. Fredric March
80. James Mason
81. Michel Simon
82. Jean-Louis Trintignant
83. Bill Murray
84. Jeff Bridges
85. Amitabh Bachchan
86. Dennis Hopper
87. John Barrymore
88. Chishu Ryu
89. Lon Chaney
90. Tony Leung Chiu Wai
91. Laurel and Hardy
92. Jean-Pierre Léaud
93. Errol Flynn
94. Bruce Lee
95. Albert Finney
96. Emil Jannings
97. Philippe Noiret
98. John Hurt
99. Russell Crowe
100. Walter Matthau
101. Uttam Kumar
102. Rod Steiger
103. Ralph Fiennes
104. Richard Harris
105. Javier Bardem
106. Woody Allen
107. Raj Kapoor
108. Yves Montand
109. Christian Bale
110. Brad Pitt
111. Warren Beatty
112. Louis de Funès
113. Yul Brynner
114. Charlton Heston
115. Steve McQueen
116. Mickey Rooney
117. Boris Karloff
118. Totò
119. Claude Rains
120. Willem Dafoe
121. Kevin Spacey
122. Samuel L. Jackson
123. Dirk Bogarde
124. John Gielgud
125. Vincent Price
126. Chow Yun-fat
127. Alberto Sordi
128. Conrad Veidt
129. George Clooney
130. Christopher Walken
131. Donald Sutherland
132. Ian McKellen
133. Michael Douglas
134. Dilip Kumar
135. Paul Muni
136. Lee Marvin
137. Jacques Tati
138. Jean Marais
139. Jerry Lewis
140. Robert Downey Jr.
141. Joaquin Phoenix
142. Jim Carrey
143. Rock Hudson
144. Naseeruddin Shah
145. Geoffrey Rush
146. Omar Sharif
147. Roscoe 'Fatty' Arbuckle
148. Peter Finch
149. Lionel Barrymore
150. Rajesh Khanna
151. Sessue Hayakawa
152. King Baggot
153. Jeremy Irons
154. Jon Voight
155. Kenneth Branagh
156. Richard Attenborough
157. Gérard Philipe
158. Erland Josephson
159. Farid Shawqi
160. Ernest Borgnine
161. Matt Damon
162. Shah Rukh Khan
163. Charles Boyer
164. William Hurt
165. Will Smith
166. Bing Crosby
167. Liam Neeson
168. Edward Norton
169. Christopher Lee
170. Daniel Auteuil
171. Fernandel
172. Nino Manfredi
173. David Niven
174. Ralph Richardson
175. Erich von Stroheim
176. Richard Dreyfuss
177. William S. Hart
178. Gene Wilder
179. Fernando Rey
180. Maximilian Schell
181. Viggo Mortensen
182. Ryan Gosling
183. Tony Curtis
184. Dev Anand
185. Adel Imam
186. Innokenty Smoktunovsky
187. W.C. Fields
188. Ed Harris
189. Tommy Lee Jones
190. Harvey Keitel
191. Thomas Mitchell
192. Walter Brennan
193. Gunnar Björnstrand
194. Bourvil
195. Aamir Khan
196. José Ferrer
197. Fernando Fernán Gómez
198. Nikolay Cherkasov
199. Nicolas Cage
200. Michel Serrault
201. Ugo Tognazzi
202. William Powell
203. George Sanders

[Tim]

Taking Man's feedback and also bumped Gosling to be up there with Mortensen, just above Curtis.

1. Marlon Brando
2. Charles Chaplin
3. Laurence Olivier
4. Robert De Niro
5. James Stewart
6. Jack Nicholson
7. Al Pacino
8. Toshiro Mifune
9. Paul Newman
10. Humphrey Bogart
11. Cary Grant
12. Buster Keaton
13. Dustin Hoffman
14. Marcello Mastroianni
15. John Wayne
16. Daniel Day-Lewis
17. Henry Fonda
18. Alec Guinness
19. Jack Lemmon
20. Jean Gabin
21. Tom Hanks
22. Denzel Washington
23. Gregory Peck
24. Sidney Poitier
25. Gary Cooper
26. James Cagney
27. Gérard Depardieu
28. Spencer Tracy
29. Peter O'Toole
30. Gene Hackman
31. Leonardo DiCaprio
32. Clark Gable
33. Clint Eastwood
34. Richard Burton
35. Max von Sydow
36. Burt Lancaster
37. Robert Mitchum
38. Peter Sellers
39. William Holden
40. Anthony Hopkins
41. Kirk Douglas
42. Michael Caine
43. Morgan Freeman
44. Jean-Paul Belmondo
45. Orson Welles
46. Harold Lloyd
47. Sean Connery
48. Alain Delon
49. Robert Duvall
50. Anthony Quinn
51. Vittorio Gassman
52. Rudolph Valentino
53. George C. Scott
54. Robert Redford
55. Montgomery Clift
56. James Dean
57. Michel Piccoli
58. Klaus Kinski
59. Tom Cruise
60. Harrison Ford
61. Gene Kelly
62. Peter Lorre
63. Fred Astaire
64. Edward G. Robinson
65. Charles Laughton
66. Takashi Shimura
67. Sean Penn
68. Philip Seymour Hoffman
69. Gary Oldman
70. Douglas Fairbanks
71. Max Linder
72. Groucho Marx/The Marx Brothers
73. Ronald Colman
74. Tatsuya Nakadai
75. Johnny Depp
76. Jackie Chan
77. Robin Williams
78. Ben Kingsley
79. Fredric March
80. James Mason
81. Michel Simon
82. Jean-Louis Trintignant
83. Bill Murray
84. Jeff Bridges
85. Amitabh Bachchan
86. Dennis Hopper
87. John Barrymore
88. Chishu Ryu
89. Lon Chaney
90. Tony Leung Chiu Wai
91. Laurel and Hardy
92. Jean-Pierre Léaud
93. Errol Flynn
94. Bruce Lee
95. Albert Finney
96. Emil Jannings
97. Philippe Noiret
98. John Hurt
99. Russell Crowe
100. Walter Matthau
101. Uttam Kumar
102. Rod Steiger
103. Ralph Fiennes
104. Richard Harris
105. Javier Bardem
106. Woody Allen
107. Raj Kapoor
108. Yves Montand
109. Christian Bale
110. Brad Pitt
111. Warren Beatty
112. Louis de Funès
113. Yul Brynner
114. Charlton Heston
115. Steve McQueen
116. Mickey Rooney
117. Boris Karloff
118. Totò
119. Claude Rains
120. Willem Dafoe
121. Kevin Spacey
122. Samuel L. Jackson
123. Dirk Bogarde
124. John Gielgud
125. Vincent Price
126. Chow Yun-fat
127. Alberto Sordi
128. Conrad Veidt
129. George Clooney
130. Christopher Walken
131. Donald Sutherland
132. Ian McKellen
133. Michael Douglas
134. Dilip Kumar
135. Paul Muni
136. Lee Marvin
137. Jacques Tati
138. Jean Marais
139. Jerry Lewis
140. Robert Downey Jr.
141. Joaquin Phoenix
142. Jim Carrey
143. Rock Hudson
144. Naseeruddin Shah
145. Geoffrey Rush
146. Omar Sharif
147. Roscoe 'Fatty' Arbuckle
148. Peter Finch
149. Lionel Barrymore
150. Rajesh Khanna
151. Sessue Hayakawa
152. King Baggot
153. Jeremy Irons
154. Jon Voight
155. Kenneth Branagh
156. Richard Attenborough
157. Gérard Philipe
158. Erland Josephson
159. Farid Shawqi
160. Ernest Borgnine
161. Matt Damon
162. Shah Rukh Khan
163. Charles Boyer
164. William Hurt
165. Will Smith
166. Bing Crosby
167. Liam Neeson
168. Edward Norton
169. Christopher Lee
170. Daniel Auteuil
171. Fernandel
172. Nino Manfredi
173. David Niven
174. Ralph Richardson
175. Erich von Stroheim
176. Richard Dreyfuss
177. William S. Hart
178. Gene Wilder
179. Fernando Rey
180. Maximilian Schell
181. Viggo Mortensen
182. Ryan Gosling
183. Tony Curtis
184. Dev Anand
185. Adel Imam
186. Innokenty Smoktunovsky
187. W.C. Fields
188. Ed Harris
189. Tommy Lee Jones
190. Harvey Keitel
191. Thomas Mitchell
192. Walter Brennan
193. Gunnar Björnstrand
194. Bourvil
195. Aamir Khan
196. José Ferrer
197. Fernando Fernán Gómez
198. Nikolay Cherkasov
199. Nicolas Cage
200. Michel Serrault
201. Ugo Tognazzi
202. William Powell
203. George Sanders

204. Heath Ledger (prolly due to even greater bump, major peer acclaim and cited as influence by many subsequent actors)
205. Joe Pesci
206. Song Kang-ho
207. Choi Min-sik
208. Arthur Kennedy
209. Joseph Cotten
210. Cantinflas
211. Karl Malden
212. Bruno Ganz
213. John Gilbert
214. Charles Bronson
215. James Coburn
216. Stellan Skarsgård
217. Gian Maria Volonté
218. Eli Wallach
219. John Malkovich
220. Ahmed Zaki
221. Jean-Claude Brialy
222. Melvyn Douglas
223. Bob Hope
224. Walter Huston
225. Abbott and Costello
226. Nanni Moretti
227. James Earl Jones
228. Paul Robeson
229. Wallace Beery
230. Tom Courtenay
231. Rex Harrison
232. Benicio del Toro
233. Jake Gyllenhaal
234. Joel McCrea
235. Ewan McGregor
236. Bela Lugosi
237. The Three Stooges
238. Paul Scofield
239. Robert Shaw
240. Gaston Modot
241. John Carradine
242. Harry Dean Stanton
243. Raimu
244. Paul Winfield
245. Mel Gibson
246. Bruce Willis
247. Sylvester Stallone
248. Arnold Schwarzenegger
249. Steve Buscemi
250. Denholm Elliott
251. Roberto Benigni
252. Dana Andrews
253. Michael Chekhov
254. Jason Robards
255. Leslie Cheung
256. Martin Sheen
257. Ethan Hawke
258. Richard Gere
259. Robert Ryan
260. Peter Cushing
261. Takeshi Kitano
262. Rudolf Klein-Rogge
263. Franco Nero
264. Robert Donat
265. Bradley Cooper
266. Christopher Plummer
267. Peter Ustinov
268. Matthew McConaughey
269. John Travolta
270. James Woods
271. Donald Crisp
272. Pedro Infante
273. Lee J. Cobb
274. Alan Rickman
275. Alastair Sim
276. Richard Widmark
277. Victor Mature
278. Victor McLaglen
279. Michael Redgrave
280. Armin Mueller-Stahl
281. Anthony Perkins
282. Basil Rathbone
283. Walter Pidgeon
284. Giancarlo Giannini
285. Bob Hoskins
286. Daniel Craig
287. Glenn Ford
288. Gael García Bernal
289. James Caan
290. John Cazale
291. John Garfield
292. Martin Balsam
293. Alan Arkin
294. Brendan Gleeson
295. John Goodman
296. Andy Serkis
297. Leslie Howard
298. Woody Harrelson
299. Adam Sandler
300. Eddie Murphy

Actors promoted from the #301-370 range in bold.

[ManPerson]

For whatever it's worth I'd give Ledger a fair amount of credit for cultural impact due to how iconic his portrayal of the joker is.

[Tim]

Yeah but Joker's cultural impact was already factored in Heath's placement while his acclaim and influence appear to have grown in recent years, anecdotally at least.

[ManPerson]

Ah, ok, that makes sense.

[ManPerson]

I could even see Ledger above Damon/Smith/Neeson. I think he's more influential and probably more acclaimed, I think he's comparable to them in popularity, and he's obviously quite behind in body of work, but that's not weighted as much in the criteria.

[ManPerson]

Id also have James Earl Jones, one of the most iconic voices in film history, strong body of work and a couple performances that were nominated for major awards as well. When compared to Bronson, for example, popularity and influence seem close and I think Jones' acclaim and body of work are probably stronger. When compared with Pesci, I'd give Pesci acclaim, Jones popularity, while body of work and influence seem close. So I guess I'd have him at 206.

[ManPerson]

I also think 2 time oscar winner and Wes Anderson favorite Adrien Brody might as well be somewhere on here. I'd say he's pretty close to McConaughey.

[DmitryXenon]

I think Tim Robbins and Rutger Hauer still deserve to be here.