300 Greatest Movie Actresses (Revision Version)

[Tim]

Brigitte Bardot RIP.

[ManPerson]

RIP

[Tim]

Discovered a pretty major oversight on our part (not even a honorable mention as of now), think she can be in the same range as Dorothy Dandridge.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicely_Tyson

[Tim]

I know we discussed this group already on the old forum but feel it may worth another look.

22. Faye Dunaway
23. Grace Kelly
24. Marilyn Monroe
25. Norma Shearer
26. Cate Blanchett
27. Deborah Kerr
28. Claudia Cardinale
29. Isabelle Huppert
30. Juliette Binoche
31. Julie Christie
32. Judi Dench
33. Kate Winslet
34. Greer Garson
35. Frances McDormand
36. Julianne Moore

I suggest something like this in a revision:

22. Cate Blanchett
23. Faye Dunaway
24. Deborah Kerr
25. Kate Winslet
26. Grace Kelly
27. Marilyn Monroe
28. Claudia Cardinale
29. Isabelle Huppert
30. Juliette Binoche
31. Frances McDormand
32. Julianne Moore
33. Norma Shearer
34. Julie Christie
35. Judi Dench
36. Greer Garson

So basically, K/Cates are too low at this point, to lesser extent I feel this way about Kerr/McDormand/Moore, Shearer is too high, as influential as she was, and Grace Kelly/Marilyn Monroe, as iconic as they were, had really short careers which hinders them in body of work and Marilyn is also lacking in acting awards with no Oscar nominations.

[ManPerson]

Im partial on moving down Monroe, honestly. She's the most culturally impactful/popular actress on this list (I don't even think this is particularly arguable, at least from a western centric perspective) and fairly influential as well. Also, I don't think her 0 oscar nominations necessarily paint a full picture of her acclaim. For one thing her acting ability has definitely been reevaluated over the years, and, even at the time, she won a Golden Globe, Cesar award and a David Di Donatello award. Obviously, she's still behind the others in this range in acclaim, but I don't think her acclaim should be undervalued. If anything I could see her higher.

Not sure about Shearer moving down either. More popular and influential than Huppert/Binoche/McDormand/Moore, weaker body of work, and while they're probably more acclaimed Shearer is very acclaimed in her own right, so I'd say that's the closest aspect of the matchup. When compared with Cardinale, Cardinale takes popularity and body of work, Shearer takes influence and acclaim (though that's close).


The rest of the changes make sense

[Tim]

So:

20. Marilyn Monroe
21. Mary Pickford
22. Olivia de Havilland
23. Cate Blanchett
24. Faye Dunaway
25. Deborah Kerr
26. Kate Winslet
27. Grace Kelly
28. Norma Shearer
29. Claudia Cardinale
30. Isabelle Huppert
31. Juliette Binoche
32. Frances McDormand
33. Julianne Moore
34. Julie Christie
35. Judi Dench
36. Greer Garson

Compared with Judy Garland, I'd give Monroe popularity, influence about even, acclaim and body of work Garland; with Liv Ullman, popularity and influence to Monroe, acclaim and body of work Ullman; with Mary Pickford, I'd give Monroe narrow wins in popularity and acclaim, body of work about even, influence Pickford.

[ManPerson]

Looks good.

[Dubrow555]

Emma Stone seems really low still imo

[Tim]

Now I wonder if we demoted Julie Christie too much compared with the list on a main site, which has her just below Norma Shearer. She has a pretty potent combo of acclaim and popularity when I think about it, arguably can be still atop of Cardinale/Huppert/Binoche group. And what do we do about Dench? May not be a popularity heavyweight but even if we limit it to her movie career, still widely acclaimed.

[Tim]

Emma Stone seems really low still imo

I am working on a revision atm, with Man's help as usual. I assume Stone ends up top 100-150 when we are done.

[Dubrow555]

Good call...thanks!

[Tim]

Here's what I'd have as an updated top 100:

1. Katharine Hepburn
2. Meryl Streep
3. Bette Davis
4. Ingrid Bergman
5. Audrey Hepburn
6. Greta Garbo
7. Lillian Gish
8. Elizabeth Taylor
9. Catherine Deneuve
10. Barbara Stanwyck
11. Jane Fonda
12. Diane Keaton
13. Marlene Dietrich
14. Shirley MacLaine
15. Jeanne Moreau
16. Joan Crawford
17. Sophia Loren
18. Judy Garland
19. Liv Ullmann
20. Marilyn Monroe
21. Mary Pickford
22. Olivia de Havilland
23. Cate Blanchett
24. Faye Dunaway
25. Deborah Kerr
26. Kate Winslet
27. Grace Kelly
28. Norma Shearer
29. Julie Christie
30. Claudia Cardinale
31. Isabelle Huppert
32. Juliette Binoche
33. Frances McDormand
34. Julianne Moore
35. Judi Dench
36. Greer Garson
37. Sissy Spacek
38. Susan Sarandon
39. Ginger Rogers
40. Jessica Lange
41. Glenn Close
42. Lauren Bacall
43. Nicole Kidman
44. Jodie Foster
45. Monica Vitti
46. Jane Wyman
47. Julia Roberts
48. Maggie Smith
49. Meena Kumari
50. Vivien Leigh
51. Emma Thompson
52. Anna Magnani
53. Claudette Colbert
54. Ava Gardner
55. Gloria Swanson
56. Simone Signoret
57. Anna Karina
58. Isabelle Adjani
59. Vanessa Redgrave
60. Faten Hamama
61. Rosalind Russell
62. Setsuko Hara
63. Helen Mirren
64. Alida Valli
65. Michèle Morgan
66. Julie Andrews
67. Anne Bancroft
68. Brigitte Bardot
69. Natalie Wood
70. Louise Brooks
71. Ellen Burstyn
72. Rita Hayworth
73. Glenda Jackson
74. Jennifer Jones
75. Joan Fontaine
76. Susan Hayward
77. Sally Field
78. Michelle Pfeiffer
79. Shelley Winters
80. Geraldine Page
81. Kathy Bates
82. Annette Bening
83. Sridevi
84. Carole Lombard
85. Gena Rowlands
86. Penélope Cruz
87. Arletty
88. Doris Day
89. Bibi Andersson
90. Stefania Sandrelli
91. Sigourney Weaver
92. Madhuri Dixit
93. Pola Negri
94. Jean Arthur
95. Joanne Woodward
96. Amy Adams
97. Giulietta Masina
98. Romy Schneider
99. Asta Nielsen
100. Madhubala

Figured if we promoted Kidman over Julia Roberts, Jodie Foster can be as well, I'd say even more acclaimed than Kidman, though a bit behind in terms of popularity and body of work, pretty influential as well (her Silence of the Lambs & Taxi Driver roles, her status as high-profile openly gay actress, her general independent outlook, etc.).

[ManPerson]

If we want to give Jodie Foster credit for her character in Taxi Driver inspiring John Hinckley she has a lot of cultural impact as well.

[Dubrow555]

Can't argue with that.....

[Tim]

If we want to give Jodie Foster credit for her character in Taxi Driver inspiring John Hinckley she has a lot of cultural impact as well.

Hah, wasn't sure about it either way. If we do credit her with a lot of cultural impact, what's the highest she can go?

[Dubrow555]

Easily #1 slot:

Convincing someone to be a presidential assassin > the most acclaimed actress who ever lived.