Greatest Rock Albums of All Time (Revision Version)

[ManPerson]

I'd also at least have Abbey Road ahead of Elvis Presley, I think it clearly takes popularity and acclaim, both by quite a lot.

I'd have Rumours a bit higher as well, more popular and acclaimed than the 4 albums above it.

I'd have also have Wish You Were Here a bit higher, probably top 200 all time in both acclaim and popularity.

I'd have Bad up behind 21 and 1989.

We probably underrated Like a Virgin a bit, it seems comparable to Control and Run-D.M.C., for example. I'd also add her debut since it scores well in both popularity and acclaim

I'd even have Back to Black higher. Among both the most acclaimed and popular 2000s albums while also being fairly influential as well. I'd even have it in the top 70.

[Brian]

Checked the archive and there's been talk from Neg Creep and Brian about Rubber Soul being ahead of Revolver with Brian saying that Rubber Soul narrowly beats Revolver in everything (granted, critical acclaim was not a part of criteria just peer acclaim aka musical impact).

Yes, comparing the two by recent critical acclaim rather than musical impact does change things, as Revolver seems to win the former somewhat easily, while I think Rubber Soul narrowly wins musical impact, though both do very well in musical impact.

For popularity, looking only at the US for the time being, both albums were #1 for 6 weeks. Rubber Soul was in the top 40 for 39 weeks and on the charts for 59 weeks. Revolver was in the top 40 for 24 weeks and on the charts for 77 weeks. I'd say Rubber Soul's advantage in the top 40 slightly outweighs Revolver's advantage on the whole chart. Rubber Soul is 6x platinum and Revolver is 5x platinum. Revolver's certification was updated a little more recently, but neither has been updated in 25 years. So I'd say their US certifications aren't very helpful in choosing one over the other, but Rubber Soul appears to have a slight advantage there.

For influence, Rubber Soul influenced Pet Sounds and Aftermath, but I'd be hard-pressed to name a major album that followed from Revolver. Speaking more generally, Rubber Soul was an album made as an album, not the first time that had happened, but helped popularize it. Revolver wasn't the first psychedelia, but again, it helped popularize it, and probably took it to new places. I think narrow win to Rubber Soul here.

[Fido]

Haven't looked closely into the full list, but Back in Black and Appetite over Paranoid and VU is crazy to me. Popularity without context I guess.

I also think the more recent album additions are being overrated. An album like Freak Out is leagues more influential than all of them while also being more acclaimed, and I see it has been kicked out.

[ManPerson]

I could see VU&N a bit higher fwiw.

[Tim]

Well, Back in Black (& Appetite) to popularity is what VU&N (& Paranoid) are to influence, no? I don't think we should be dismissive of popularity unless the criteria explicitly happens to say it weights less.

[Tim]

I also think the more recent album additions are being overrated. An album like Freak Out is leagues more influential than all of them while also being more acclaimed, and I see it has been kicked out.

I guess I can see AM and Anti a little lower than I originally had them.

[ManPerson]

I feel like VU&N also takes acclaim, though.

[Tim]

Re-arranged #31-50 closer to how it was on the old list, also taking Man's feedback on Ten, Rumours, Back to Black, Like a Virgin:

1. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (1967) - The Beatles
2. Pet Sounds (1966) - The Beach Boys
3. Revolver (1966) - The Beatles
4. Thriller (1982) - Michael Jackson
5. Nevermind (1991) - Nirvana
6. What's Going On (1971) - Marvin Gaye
7. Rubber Soul (1965) - The Beatles
8. Dark Side of the Moon (1973) - Pink Floyd
9. Live at the Apollo (1963) - James Brown
10. Are You Experienced? (1967) - The Jimi Hendrix Experience
11. Highway 61 Revisited (1965) - Bob Dylan
12. Abbey Road (1969) - The Beatles
13. Elvis Presley (1956) - Elvis Presley
14. Blonde on Blonde (1966) - Bob Dylan
15. It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back (1988) - Public Enemy
16. London Calling (1979) - The Clash
17. Born to Run (1975) - Bruce Springsteen
18. Purple Rain (1984) - Prince
19. The Joshua Tree (1987) - U2
20. Songs in the Key of Life (1976) - Stevie Wonder
21. Led Zeppelin IV (1971) - Led Zeppelin
22. Who's Next (1971) - The Who
23. Rumours (1977) - Fleetwood Mac
24. The Beatles (The White Album) (1968) - The Beatles
25. Exile on Main Street (1972) - The Rolling Stones
26. Modern Sounds in Country and Western Music (1962) - Ray Charles
27. Innervisions (1973) - Stevie Wonder
28. I Never Loved a Man the Way I Love You (1967) - Aretha Franklin
29. Led Zeppelin II (1969) - Led Zeppelin
30. Raising Hell (1986) - Run-D.M.C.
31. Tommy (1969) - The Who
32. Paranoid (1970) - Black Sabbath
33. The Velvet Underground & Nico (1967) - The Velvet Underground & Nico
34. Back in Black (1980) - AC/DC
35. Appetite for Destruction (1987) - Guns N' Roses
36. OK Computer (1997) - Radiohead
37. Saturday Night Fever (1977) - The Bee Gees and various artists
38. Tapestry (1971) - Carole King
39. Blue (1971) - Joni Mitchell
40. The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill (1998) - Lauryn Hill
41. The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars (1972) - David Bowie
42. There's a Riot Goin' On (1971) - Sly & the Family Stone
43. The Doors (1967) - The Doors
44. Bringing It All Back Home (1965) - Bob Dylan
45. Ten (1991) - Pearl Jam
46. Born in the USA (1984) - Bruce Springsteen
47. Blood on the Tracks (1975) - Bob Dylan
48. Off the Wall (1979) - Michael Jackson
49. Licensed to Ill (1986) - Beastie Boys
50. Straight Outta Compton (1988) - N.W.A
51. Led Zeppelin (1969) - Led Zeppelin
52. My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy (2010) - Kanye West
53. Let It Bleed (1969) - The Rolling Stones
54. Never Mind the Bollocks... Here's the Sex Pistols (1977) - Sex Pistols
55. Electric Ladyland (1968) - The Jimi Hendrix Experience
56. Hotel California (1976) - Eagles
57. The Marshall Mathers LP (2000) - Eminem
58. The Chronic (1992) - Dr. Dre
59. Master of Puppets (1986) - Metallica
60. To Pimp a Butterfly (2015) - Kendrick Lamar
61. Automatic for the People (1992) - R.E.M.
62. Achtung Baby (1991) - U2
63. Stankonia (2000) - Outkast
64. Otis Blue/Otis Redding Sings Soul (1965) - Otis Redding
65. Murmur (1983) - R.E.M.
66. Metallica (The Black Album) (1991) - Metallica
67. The Wall (1979) - Pink Floyd
68. Bridge over Troubled Water (1970) - Simon & Garfunkel
69. Ramones (1976) - Ramones
70. Back to Black (2006) - Amy Winehouse
71. After the Gold Rush (1970) - Neil Young
72. Goodbye Yellow Brick Road (1973) - Elton John
73. Synchronicity (1983) - The Police
74. A Hard Day's Night (1964) - The Beatles
75. Disraeli Gears (1967) - Cream
76. Astral Weeks (1968) - Van Morrison
77. Beggars Banquet (1968) - The Rolling Stones
78. The College Dropout (2004) - Kanye West
79. Illmatic (1994) - Nas
80. The Blueprint (2001) - Jay-Z
81. Paid in Full (1987) - Eric B. & Rakim
82. Kid A (2000) - Radiohead
83. Jagged Little Pill (1995) - Alanis Morissette
84. Graceland (1986) - Paul Simon
85. Remain in Light (1980) - Talking Heads
86. The Clash (1977) - The Clash
87. 3 Feet High and Rising (1989) - De La Soul
88. John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band (1970) - John Lennon
89. Superfly (1972) - Curtis Mayfield
90. Talking Book (1972) - Stevie Wonder
91. Sticky Fingers (1971) - The Rolling Stones
92. 1999 (1982) - Prince
93. Run-D.M.C. (1984) - Run-D.M.C.
94. Like a Virgin (1984) - Madonna
95. Control (1986) - Janet Jackson
96. Van Halen (1978) - Van Halen
97. The Low End Theory (1991) - A Tribe Called Quest
98. Moondance (1970) - Van Morrison
99. A Night at the Opera (1975) - Queen
100. The "Chirping" Crickets (1957) - Crickets

[ManPerson]

I think I'd have Good Kid, m.A.A.d. City in the top 100. It seems like it slightly takes acclaim and popularity over Moondance.

[ManPerson]

Kinda nitpicky since Young, Gifted & Black is near the bottom of the list, but I think Amazing Grace would be a better choice for Aretha's third album.

Aftermath seems like a pretty big omission since it's top 250 on acclaimedmusic while also doing well in popularity and influence.

Also, Tim, thoughts on this?

We probably underrated Like a Virgin a bit, it seems comparable to Control and Run-D.M.C., for example. I'd also add her debut since it scores well in both popularity and acclaim while being influential on the development of her sound.

[Tim]

Well, I am zooming in on the top 100 for now, Madonna's debut can be included in the top 300.

[ManPerson]

Ah, I see.

I also think Dookie seems fairly comparable to Van Halen in all the criteria so I'd have them back to back.

In terms of 90s rap, I think Enter the Wu-Tang > The Low End Theory for sure.

I'd also have Straight Outta Compton a bit higher.

[Tim]

1. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (1967) - The Beatles
2. Pet Sounds (1966) - The Beach Boys
3. Revolver (1966) - The Beatles
4. Thriller (1982) - Michael Jackson
5. Nevermind (1991) - Nirvana
6. What's Going On (1971) - Marvin Gaye
7. Rubber Soul (1965) - The Beatles
8. Dark Side of the Moon (1973) - Pink Floyd
9. Live at the Apollo (1963) - James Brown
10. Are You Experienced? (1967) - The Jimi Hendrix Experience
11. Highway 61 Revisited (1965) - Bob Dylan
12. Abbey Road (1969) - The Beatles
13. Elvis Presley (1956) - Elvis Presley
14. Blonde on Blonde (1966) - Bob Dylan
15. It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back (1988) - Public Enemy
16. London Calling (1979) - The Clash
17. Born to Run (1975) - Bruce Springsteen
18. Purple Rain (1984) - Prince
19. The Joshua Tree (1987) - U2
20. Songs in the Key of Life (1976) - Stevie Wonder
21. Led Zeppelin IV (1971) - Led Zeppelin
22. Who's Next (1971) - The Who
23. Rumours (1977) - Fleetwood Mac
24. The Beatles (The White Album) (1968) - The Beatles
25. Exile on Main Street (1972) - The Rolling Stones
26. Modern Sounds in Country and Western Music (1962) - Ray Charles
27. Innervisions (1973) - Stevie Wonder
28. I Never Loved a Man the Way I Love You (1967) - Aretha Franklin
29. Led Zeppelin II (1969) - Led Zeppelin
30. Raising Hell (1986) - Run-D.M.C.
31. Tommy (1969) - The Who
32. Paranoid (1970) - Black Sabbath
33. The Velvet Underground & Nico (1967) - The Velvet Underground & Nico
34. Back in Black (1980) - AC/DC
35. Appetite for Destruction (1987) - Guns N' Roses
36. Straight Outta Compton (1988) - N.W.A
37. OK Computer (1997) - Radiohead
38. Saturday Night Fever (1977) - The Bee Gees and various artists
39. The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill (1998) - Lauryn Hill
40. Tapestry (1971) - Carole King
41. Blue (1971) - Joni Mitchell
42. The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars (1972) - David Bowie
43. There's a Riot Goin' On (1971) - Sly & the Family Stone
44. The Doors (1967) - The Doors
45. Bringing It All Back Home (1965) - Bob Dylan
46. Ten (1991) - Pearl Jam
47. Born in the USA (1984) - Bruce Springsteen
48. Blood on the Tracks (1975) - Bob Dylan
49. Off the Wall (1979) - Michael Jackson
50. Licensed to Ill (1986) - Beastie Boys
51. Led Zeppelin (1969) - Led Zeppelin
52. My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy (2010) - Kanye West
53. Let It Bleed (1969) - The Rolling Stones
54. Never Mind the Bollocks... Here's the Sex Pistols (1977) - Sex Pistols
55. Electric Ladyland (1968) - The Jimi Hendrix Experience
56. Hotel California (1976) - Eagles
57. The Marshall Mathers LP (2000) - Eminem
58. The Chronic (1992) - Dr. Dre
59. Master of Puppets (1986) - Metallica
60. To Pimp a Butterfly (2015) - Kendrick Lamar
61. Automatic for the People (1992) - R.E.M.
62. Achtung Baby (1991) - U2
63. Stankonia (2000) - Outkast
64. Otis Blue/Otis Redding Sings Soul (1965) - Otis Redding
65. Murmur (1983) - R.E.M.
66. Metallica (The Black Album) (1991) - Metallica
67. The Wall (1979) - Pink Floyd
68. Bridge over Troubled Water (1970) - Simon & Garfunkel
69. Ramones (1976) - Ramones
70. Back to Black (2006) - Amy Winehouse
71. After the Gold Rush (1970) - Neil Young
72. Goodbye Yellow Brick Road (1973) - Elton John
73. Synchronicity (1983) - The Police
74. A Hard Day's Night (1964) - The Beatles
75. Disraeli Gears (1967) - Cream
76. Astral Weeks (1968) - Van Morrison
77. Beggars Banquet (1968) - The Rolling Stones
78. The College Dropout (2004) - Kanye West
79. Illmatic (1994) - Nas
80. The Blueprint (2001) - Jay-Z
81. Paid in Full (1987) - Eric B. & Rakim
82. Kid A (2000) - Radiohead
83. Jagged Little Pill (1995) - Alanis Morissette
84. Graceland (1986) - Paul Simon
85. Remain in Light (1980) - Talking Heads
86. The Clash (1977) - The Clash
87. 3 Feet High and Rising (1989) - De La Soul
88. John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band (1970) - John Lennon
89. Superfly (1972) - Curtis Mayfield
90. Talking Book (1972) - Stevie Wonder
91. Sticky Fingers (1971) - The Rolling Stones
92. 1999 (1982) - Prince
93. Run-D.M.C. (1984) - Run-D.M.C.
94. Like a Virgin (1984) - Madonna
95. Control (1986) - Janet Jackson
96. Van Halen (1978) - Van Halen
97. Dookie (1994) - Green Day
98. Enter The Wu-Tang (1993) - Wu-Tang Clan
99. good kid, M.A.A.D city (2012) - Kendrick Lamar
100. Moondance (1970) - Van Morrison
101. A Night at the Opera (1975) - Queen
102. The "Chirping" Crickets (1957) - Crickets
103. The Low End Theory (1991) - A Tribe Called Quest
104. Here's Little Richard (1957) - Little Richard
105. Speakerboxxx/The Love Below (2003) - Outkast
106. Horses (1975) - Patti Smith
107. (What's the Story) Morning Glory? (1995) - Oasis
108. Beyoncé (2014) - Beyoncé
109. The Queen Is Dead (1986) - The Smiths
110. Ready to Die (1994) - The Notorious B.I.G.
111. Blood Sugar Sex Magik (1991) - Red Hot Chili Peppers
112. Harvest (1972) - Neil Young
113. The Number of the Beast (1982) - Iron Maiden
114. Machine Head (1972) - Deep Purple
115. Live at Leeds (1970) - The Who
116. Black Sabbath (1970) - Black Sabbath
117. The Band (1969) - The Band
118. Please Please Me (1963) - The Beatles
119. The Downward Spiral (1994) - Nine Inch Nails
120. The Score (1996) - Fugees
121. Stand! (1969) - Sly & The Family Stone
122. In The Court of the Crimson King (1969) - King Crimson
123. This Year's Model (1978) - Elvis Costello
124. Sign o' the Times (1987) - Prince
125. American Idiot (2004) - Green Day
126. Daydream Nation (1988) - Sonic Youth
127. In Utero (1993) - Nirvana
128. Rage Against The Machine (1992) - Rage Against The Machine
129. The Fame/The Fame Monster - Lady Gaga (2008; 2009)
130. FutureSex/LoveSounds (2006) - Justin Timberlake
131. Bo Diddley (1958) - Bo Diddley
132. Radio (1985) - LL Cool J
133. Wish You Were Here (1975) - Pink Floyd
134. Axis: Bold as Love (1967) - The Jimi Hendrix Experience
135. Surrealistic Pillow (1967) - Jefferson Airplane
136. Music from Big Pink (1968) - The Band
137. Lady Soul (1968) - Aretha Franklin
138. Is This It (2001) - The Strokes
139. Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness (1995) - The Smashing Pumpkins
140. Superunknown (1994) - Soundgarden
141. Hot Buttered Soul (1969) - Isaac Hayes
142. Elephant (2003) - The White Stripes
143. At Last! (1960) - Etta James
144. Doolittle (1989) - Pixies
145. 21 (2011) - Adele
146. 1989 (2014) - Taylor Swift
147. Bad (1987) - Michael Jackson
148. Mr. Tambourine Man (1965) - The Byrds
149. Boston (1976) - Boston
150. MTV Unplugged in New York (1994) - Nirvana
151. Rio (1982) - Duran Duran
152. Bat Out of Hell (1977) - Meat Loaf
153. Take Care (2011) - Drake
154. Lemonade (2016) - Beyonce
155. Parallel Lines (1978) - Blondie
156. Aftermath (1965) - The Rolling Stones
157. My Aim Is True (1977) - Elvis Costello
158. Marquee Moon (1977) - Television
159. Brothers in Arms (1985) - Dire Straits
160. 1984 (1984) - Van Halen
161. CrazySexyCool (1994) - TLC
162. Siamese Dream (1993) - The Smashing Pumpkins
163. All Eyez On Me (1996) - 2pac
164. Paul's Boutique (1989) - Beastie Boys
165. If You Can Believe Your Eyes and Ears (1966) - The Mamas & the Papas
166. Whitney Houston (1985) - Whitney Houston
167. Cosmo's Factory (1970) - Creedence Clearwater Revival
168. Deja Vu (1970) - Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young
169. Trans-Europe Express (1977) - Kraftwerk
170. One Nation Under a Groove (1978) - Funkadelic
171. Sweetheart of the Rodeo (1968) - The Byrds
172. Curtis (1970) - Curtis Mayfield
173. Kick Out the Jams (1969) - MC5
174. Low (1977) - David Bowie
175. Dare (1981) - The Human League
176. The Slim Shady LP (1999) - Eminem
177. Green River (1969) - Creedence Clearwater Revival
178. Late Registration (2005) - Kanye West
179. Beauty and the Beat (1981) - The Go-Go's
180. Mothership Connection (1975) - Parliament
181. Dirt (1992) - Alice in Chains
182. Fear of a Black Planet (1990) - Public Enemy
183. Weezer (The Blue Album) (1994) - Weezer
184. Exodus (1977) - Bob Marley & the Wailers
185. Channel Orange (2012) - Frank Ocean
186. Blonde (2016) - Frank Ocean
187. Damn (2017) - Kendrick Lamar
188. Definitely Maybe (1994) - Oasis
189. Out of Time (1991) - R.E.M.
190. Aquemini (1998) - Outkast
191. Days of Future Passed (1967) - Moody Blues
192. Something Else by the Kinks (1967) - The Kinks
193. Life After Death (1997) - The Notorious B.I.G.
194. War (1983) - U2
195. Like a Prayer (1989) - Madonna
196. That's the Way of the World (1975) - Earth, Wind & Fire
197. Let's Get It On (1973) - Marvin Gaye
198. A Rush of Blood to the Head (2002) - Coldplay
199. Tha Carter lll (2008) - Lil Wayne
200. Call Me (1973) - Al Green

[Tim]

Well, I am zooming in on the top 100 for now, Madonna's debut can be included in the top 300.

Wouldn't True Blue be a better pick though, for another Madonna album? Ranked #69 to debut's #120 on Brett's 1980s list, her biggest seller along with Like a Virgin, cited as her artistic (not commercial though) breakthrough.

[Fido]

Rumours is now ahead of milestones of rock music, some of the most influential albums ever which are also acclaimed as masterpieces and half of them also superpopular.

Edit: and I wouldn't consider Amazing Grace a rock album.

[Tim]

Rumours is super popular and acclaimed though, this feels like punishing it over it being by Fleetwood Mac and not by Beatles, Aretha, Stevie, Zep, etc. Guess I can see Modern Sounds in Country and Western Music over it but I think it being a top 25 (rock) album is a bit of no-brainer.