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Is Kayne really more acclaimed than Hendrix?

I wouldn't have Kanye above the next three below him, mostly because they are universally loved while Kanye's stature has been in the mud for half a decade at this point with no appearance of coming back, while the rest of the criteria is fairly close. I'd probably have him just below Jay.

I don't see him below Jay, I'd give him influence and acclaim while (though that may be somewhat arguable) while popularity and cultural impact are close, and may also lean towards Kanye.

Dubrow555 wrote: Sun Mar 08, 2026 12:40 pm Is Kayne really more acclaimed than Hendrix?

His discography definitely is, at least. Hendrix makes up for it somewhat in other areas though.

Fido wrote: Sun Mar 08, 2026 1:25 pm I wouldn't have Kanye above the next three below him, mostly because they are universally loved while Kanye's stature has been in the mud for half a decade at this point with no appearance of coming back.

His reputation as a public figure is obviously much, much, more negative than the three below him but I don't think his music's reputation has actually been affected. If anything, as the new AM update suggests, his albums have actually continued to grow in acclaim over the years (All of his first 7 except for Yeezus + Kids See Ghosts moved up in the last update).

Tim wrote: Sat Mar 07, 2026 9:51 pm So I suggest these 10 to be the first we add.

Beyonce
Kendrick Lamar
Taylor Swift
Drake
The Notorious B.I.G.
Dr. Dre
Green Day
Rihanna
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Britney Spears

My attempt at inserting them:

1. The Beatles
2. Elvis Presley
3. James Brown
4. Bob Dylan
5. Michael Jackson
6. Madonna
7. Chuck Berry
8. The Rolling Stones
9. Stevie Wonder
10. Aretha Franklin
11. Ray Charles
12. The Beach Boys
13. Led Zeppelin
14. Jimi Hendrix
15. Fats Domino
16. Kanye West
17. Prince
18. Marvin Gaye
19. Little Richard
20. Jay-Z
21. The Who
22. Sam Cooke
23. Pink Floyd
24. David Bowie
25. Eminem
26. U2
27. Run-D.M.C.
28. Nirvana
29. 2pac
30. Beyoncé
31. The Supremes
32. Bruce Springsteen
33. Queen
34. Bob Marley & the Wailers
35. Buddy Holly & The Crickets
36. The Temptations
37. Neil Young
38. R.E.M.
39. Elton John
40. Whitney Houston
41. The Everly Brothers
42. Janet Jackson
43. Mariah Carey
44. Black Sabbath
45. Public Enemy
46. Kendrick Lamar
47. The Byrds
48. Otis Redding
49. Metallica
50. Sly & the Family Stone
51. Bill Haley & His Comets
52. The Bee Gees
53. Donna Summer
54. Taylor Swift
55. Smokey Robinson & The Miracles
56. The Kinks
57. The Beastie Boys
58. Bo Diddley
59. Roy Orbison
60. The Clash
61. AC/DC
62. Drake
63. Fleetwood Mac
64. The Doors
65. Curtis Mayfield & The Impressions
66. The Notorious B.I.G.
67. Dr. Dre
68. Joni Mitchell
69. Outkast
70. Simon & Garfunkel
71. Creedence Clearwater Revival
72. Parliament/Funkadelic/George Clinton
73. Radiohead
74. N.W.A.
75. Aerosmith
76. Eagles
77. Guns N' Roses
78. The Police
79. Van Halen
80. Al Green
81. The Drifters
82. Green Day
83. Rihanna
84. Rod Stewart
85. Paul McCartney/Wings
86. Pearl Jam
87. The Grateful Dead
88. The Shirelles
89. Van Morrison
90. Cream
91. Red Hot Chili Peppers
92. Britney Spears
93. The Isley Brothers
94. The Dominoes
95. The Orioles
96. The Band
97. Billy Joel
98. Frankie Valli & The Four Seasons
99. The Platters
100. Jerry Lee Lewis
101. Deep Purple
102. Jackie Wilson
103. Crosby, Stills, Nash (& Young)
104. Big Joe Turner
105. Johnny Otis
106. The Allman Brothers Band
107. Janis Joplin/Big Brother and the Holding Company
108. Ruth Brown
109. Elvis Costello
110. The Clovers

For the record, I vote MJ > Madonna

My draft
New artists in bold

1. The Beatles
2. Elvis Presley
3. James Brown
4. Bob Dylan
5. Michael Jackson
6. Madonna
7. Chuck Berry
8. The Rolling Stones
9. Stevie Wonder
10. Aretha Franklin
11. Ray Charles
12. The Beach Boys
13. Led Zeppelin
14. Jimi Hendrix
15. Fats Domino
16. Kanye West
17. Prince
18. Marvin Gaye
19. Little Richard
20. Jay-Z
21. The Who
22. Sam Cooke
23. Pink Floyd
24. David Bowie
25. Eminem
26. U2
27. Run-D.M.C.
28. Beyonce
29. Nirvana
30. 2pac
31. The Supremes
32. Bruce Springsteen
33. Queen
34. Bob Marley & the Wailers
35. Buddy Holly & The Crickets
36. Taylor Swift
37. Drake
38. Kendrick Lamar
39. The Temptations
40. Neil Young
41. R.E.M.
42. Elton John
43. Whitney Houston
44. The Everly Brothers
45. Janet Jackson
46. Mariah Carey
47. Black Sabbath
48. Public Enemy
49. The Byrds
50. Otis Redding
51. Metallica
52. Sly & the Family Stone
53. Bill Haley & the Comets
54. Bee Gees
55. Donna Summer
56. Smokey Robinson & the Miracles
57. The Kinks
58. The Beastie Boys
59. Bo Diddley
60. Roy Orbison
61. The Clash
62. AC/DC
63. Rihanna
64. Fleetwood Mac
65. Britney Spears
66. The Doors
67. Curtis Mayfield & The Impressions
68. Joni Mitchell
69. Dr. Dre
70. The Notorious B.I.G.
71. Outkast
72. Simon & Garfunkel
73. Creedence Clearwater Revival
74. Parliament/Funkadelic/George-Clinton
75. Radiohead
76. N.W.A.
77. Aerosmith
78. Eagles
79. Guns n Roses
80. The Police
81. Van Halen
82. Green Day
83. Al Green
84. The Drifters
85. Rod Stewart
86. Paul McCartney/Wings
87. Pearl Jam
88. The Grateful Dead
89. The Shirelles
90. Van Morrison
91. Red Hot Chili Peppers
92. Cream
93. The Isley Brothers
94. The Dominoes
95. The Orioles
96. The Band
97. Billy Joel
98. Frankie Valli & The Four Seasons
99. The Platters
100. Jerry Lee Lewis
101. Deep Purple
102. Jackie Wilson
103. Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young
104. Big Joe Turner
105. Johnny Otis
106. Janis Joplin/Big Brother & Holding Company
107. Ruth Brown
108. The Allman Brothers Band
109. Elvis Costello
110. The Clovers

Thoughts on some of the placements where we differ a bit more significantly
- I figure Beyonce holds up against Nirvana in acclaim and is probably stronger than 2pac, both are more influential than her, while she is clearly more popular than both of them. I figure her longevity should give her the edge here.

- To justify my placement for Taylor and Drake let me compare them to Elton John and Whitney Houston, two artists who both also excel in popularity

Taylor/Drake vs Elton
Popularity: Close (if we exclude Taylor's country output)
Acclaim: Elton John close
Influence: Taylor/Drake

Taylor/Drake vs Houston
Popularity: Taylor/Drake
Acclaim: Taylor/Drake
Influence: Houston

- Here's how I see Kendrick comparing with Neil Young and R.E.M.
Acclaim: Kendrick
Popularity: Kendrick clearly
Influence: Young/R.E.M. clearly

- I see Rihanna as similar to AC/DC in terms of all three criteria while doing a bit better than Fleetwood Mac in popularity while doing a bit worse in acclaim
- Britney was highly influential on both the wave of teen pop in the late 1990s and most significantly the wave of electropop in the late 2000s. Obviously highly popular and even her acclaim has grown substantially over the years.


So here's what I'd suggest
1. The Beatles
2. Elvis Presley
3. James Brown
4. Bob Dylan
5. Michael Jackson
6. Madonna
7. Chuck Berry
8. The Rolling Stones
9. Stevie Wonder
10. Aretha Franklin
11. Ray Charles
12. The Beach Boys
13. Led Zeppelin
14. Jimi Hendrix
15. Fats Domino
16. Kanye West
17. Prince
18. Marvin Gaye
19. Little Richard
20. Jay-Z
21. The Who
22. Sam Cooke
23. Pink Floyd
24. David Bowie
25. Eminem
26. U2
27. Run-D.M.C.
28. Beyonce
29. Nirvana
30. 2pac
31. The Supremes
32. Bruce Springsteen
33. Queen
34. Bob Marley & the Wailers
35. Buddy Holly & The Crickets
36. The Temptations
37. Kendrick Lamar
38. Neil Young
39. R.E.M.
40. Taylor Swift
41. Drake
42. Elton John
43. Whitney Houston
44. The Everly Brothers
45. Janet Jackson
46. Mariah Carey
47. Black Sabbath
48. Public Enemy
49. The Byrds
50. Otis Redding
51. Metallica
52. Sly & the Family Stone
53. Bill Haley & the Comets
54. Bee Gees
55. Donna Summer
56. Smokey Robinson & the Miracles
57. The Kinks
58. The Beastie Boys
59. Bo Diddley
60. Roy Orbison
61. The Clash
62. AC/DC
63. Fleetwood Mac
64. Rihanna
65. The Doors
66. Curtis Mayfield & The Impressions
67. Dr. Dre
68. The Notorious B.I.G.
69. Joni Mitchell
70. Outkast
71. Britney Spears
72. Simon & Garfunkel
73. Creedence Clearwater Revival
74. Parliament/Funkadelic/George-Clinton
75. Radiohead
76. N.W.A.
77. Aerosmith
78. Eagles
79. Guns n Roses
80. The Police
81. Van Halen
82. Al Green
83. Green Day
84. The Drifters
85. Rod Stewart
86. Paul McCartney/Wings
87. Pearl Jam
88. The Grateful Dead
89. The Shirelles
90. Van Morrison
91. Cream
92. Red Hot Chili Peppers
93. The Isley Brothers
94. The Dominoes
95. The Orioles
96. The Band
97. Billy Joel
98. Frankie Valli & The Four Seasons
99. The Platters
100. Jerry Lee Lewis
101. Deep Purple
102. Jackie Wilson
103. Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young
104. Big Joe Turner
105. Johnny Otis
106. Janis Joplin/Big Brother & Holding Company
107. Ruth Brown
108. The Allman Brothers Band
109. Elvis Costello
110. The Clovers

I think I'll take a break from working on this for a little bit, once we sort through this group, btw.

ManPerson wrote: Sat Mar 07, 2026 6:51 pm I'd say Abba should be considered as well, maybe Brian Eno, though, admittedly a lot of his greatest work is in the ambient genre.

Looking over my 101-200 list and seeing this post, it occurred to me that it was probably inconsistent for me to have included The Carpenters in the top 200 but not ABBA. Now I would say that ABBA was at least as much a rock artist as the Carpenters.

I'd agree ABBA is at least as much rock as the Carpenters, maybe even more so, since they're likely more groove-oriented at times.

Brian wrote: Sun Mar 08, 2026 8:45 pm

ManPerson wrote: Sat Mar 07, 2026 6:51 pm I'd say Abba should be considered as well, maybe Brian Eno, though, admittedly a lot of his greatest work is in the ambient genre.

Looking over my 101-200 list and seeing this post, it occurred to me that it was probably inconsistent for me to have included The Carpenters in the top 200 but not ABBA. Now I would say that ABBA was at least as much a rock artist as the Carpenters.

Do the Carpenters even have true rock songs? ABBA have quite a few among their biggest hits. For my "An Alternative to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame" project on RYM, I compiled a list of ten for them, which consists only of songs I'd consider rock:

- Waterloo
- SOS
- Mamma Mia
- Dancing Queen
- Money, Money, Money
- Knowing Me, Knowing You
- Take a Chance on Me
- Does Your Mother Know
- Gimme! Gimme! Gimme! (A Man After Midnight)
- Super Trouper

Can the Carpenters match that?

ManPerson wrote: Sun Mar 08, 2026 8:08 pm I think I'll take a break from working on this for a little bit, once we sort through this group, btw.

Think I am content with your last top 110. Guess I will post the next batch inserted at some point this March.

pauldrach wrote: Mon Mar 09, 2026 2:21 am

Brian wrote: Sun Mar 08, 2026 8:45 pm

ManPerson wrote: Sat Mar 07, 2026 6:51 pm I'd say Abba should be considered as well, maybe Brian Eno, though, admittedly a lot of his greatest work is in the ambient genre.

Looking over my 101-200 list and seeing this post, it occurred to me that it was probably inconsistent for me to have included The Carpenters in the top 200 but not ABBA. Now I would say that ABBA was at least as much a rock artist as the Carpenters.

Do the Carpenters even have true rock songs? ABBA have quite a few among their biggest hits. For my "An Alternative to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame" project on RYM, I compiled a list of ten for them, which consists only of songs I'd consider rock:

- Waterloo
- SOS
- Mamma Mia
- Dancing Queen
- Money, Money, Money
- Knowing Me, Knowing You
- Take a Chance on Me
- Does Your Mother Know
- Gimme! Gimme! Gimme! (A Man After Midnight)
- Super Trouper

Can the Carpenters match that?

Link to the project paolo?

Tim wrote: Mon Mar 09, 2026 3:59 amLink to the project paolo?

https://rateyourmusic.com/list/pauldrac ... l-of-fame/

By no means perfect (today I'd probably induct some later, some earlier) but by all means better than the actual hall.

ManPerson wrote: Sun Mar 08, 2026 1:52 pm His reputation as a public figure is obviously much, much, more negative than the three below him but I don't think his music's reputation has actually been affected. If anything, as the new AM update suggests, his albums have actually continued to grow in acclaim over the years (All of his first 7 except for Yeezus + Kids See Ghosts moved up in the last update).

None of his music has been well received since KSG. That's Jesus Is King (panned), Donda (polarizing, with a 53/100 on Metacritic), Donda 2 (panned), Vultures 1 (panned) and Vultures 2 (panned). I agree his previous work makes up for it compared with most, but not when he's against giants. Against Jay I guess I could see Kanye ahead, though I'd still give Jay influence and cultural impact while holding his own in the rest. Sampson convinced me.

Beyoncé over Nirvana and Pac also looks kinda wrong, both are also very culturally impactful, which is her strongest point along with her popularity (where she of course kills).

Fido wrote: Mon Mar 09, 2026 7:28 am

ManPerson wrote: Sun Mar 08, 2026 1:52 pm His reputation as a public figure is obviously much, much, more negative than the three below him but I don't think his music's reputation has actually been affected. If anything, as the new AM update suggests, his albums have actually continued to grow in acclaim over the years (All of his first 7 except for Yeezus + Kids See Ghosts moved up in the last update).

None of his music has been well received since KSG. That's Jesus Is King (panned), Donda (polarizing, with a 53/100 on Metacritic), Donda 2 (panned), Vultures 1 (panned) and Vultures 2 (panned). I agree his previous work makes up for it compared with most, but not when he's against giants. Against Jay I guess I could see Kanye ahead, though I'd still give Jay influence and cultural impact while holding his own in the rest. Sampson convinced me.

Beyoncé over Nirvana and Pac also looks kinda wrong, both are also very culturally impactful, which is her strongest point along with her popularity (where she of course kills).

I feel like Prince's discography is considered pretty uneven as well, though.