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Dubrow555 wrote: Tue Feb 24, 2026 9:26 am

ManPerson wrote: Tue Feb 24, 2026 7:12 am It also popularized early access releases for indie games and the fostered the growth of gaming/let's play content on YouTube (for whatever that's worth).

Ok, I'll give it to you that FFVII is more influential, but I still don't think it's enough to overcome Minecraft's massive lead in popularity.

The concept of pre-rendered backgrounds + Full FMV cutscenes (which have been used in hundreds if not thousands of games) is infinitely more significant than any influence Minecraft has or ever will have.

Dubrow555 wrote: Tue Feb 24, 2026 9:26 am

ManPerson wrote: Tue Feb 24, 2026 7:12 am It also popularized early access releases for indie games and the fostered the growth of gaming/let's play content on YouTube (for whatever that's worth).

Ok, I'll give it to you that FFVII is more influential, but I still don't think it's enough to overcome Minecraft's massive lead in popularity.

The concept of pre-rendered backgrounds + Full FMV cutscenes (which have been used in hundreds if not thousands of games) is infinitely more significant than any influence Minecraft has or ever will have.

wiki wrote:The first wave of FMV games originated in arcades in 1983 with laserdisc video games, notably Astron Belt from Sega and Dragon's Lair from Cinematronics. They used Laserdiscs to store the video used in the game, which allowed for very high quality visuals compared to contemporary arcade games of the era. A number of arcade games using FMV with Laserdiscs were released over the next three years and the technology was touted as the future of video games. Some games released in this era reused video footage from other sources while others had it purpose made. Bega's Battle, Cliff Hanger and Firefox reused footage, while titles like Space Ace, Time Gal, Thayer's Quest, Super Don Quix-ote and Cobra Command were entirely original.

Pre-rendered graphics are used primarily as cutscenes in modern video games. The use of pre-rendered 3D computer graphics for video sequences date back to two arcade laserdisc video games introduced in late 1983: Interstellar,[4][5] introduced by Funai at the AM Show in September,[6] and Star Rider,[7] introduced by Williams Electronics at the AMOA show in October.[8]

wiki wrote:The use of pre-rendered 3D computer graphics for video sequences also date back to two arcade laserdisc games introduced in 1983: Interstellar,[1][2] introduced by Funai at the AM Show in September,[3] and Star Rider,[4] introduced by Williams Electronics at the AMOA show in October.[5]

wiki wrote:One of the first significant console games with pre-rendered graphics was Donkey Kong Country, released on the SNES in 1994.

Dubrow555 wrote: Tue Feb 24, 2026 9:25 am

Tim wrote: Mon Feb 23, 2026 10:27 pm I guess I have to side with Dubrow here, with FFVll's influence being more fundamental than Minecraft's.

Minecraft being ahead of 3 of the most influential games of all time has never sat right with me (Pacman alone has gotta have much more cultural impact, right?)

ManPerson wrote: Tue Feb 24, 2026 10:45 am

Dubrow555 wrote: Tue Feb 24, 2026 9:25 am

Tim wrote: Mon Feb 23, 2026 10:27 pm I guess I have to side with Dubrow here, with FFVll's influence being more fundamental than Minecraft's.

Minecraft being ahead of 3 of the most influential games of all time has never sat right with me (Pacman alone has gotta have much more cultural impact, right?)

I don't think there are any games that clearly have more cultural impact than Minecraft, except for Mario.

It's clearly less influential than those games, way more popular than SFII and Doom, more popular than Pac-Man as well, though it's closer, and clearly more acclaimed than Pac-Man.

Tim wrote: Tue Feb 24, 2026 9:36 am So now we want to move Minecraft down?

Dubrow555 wrote: Tue Feb 24, 2026 7:20 pm

ManPerson wrote: Tue Feb 24, 2026 10:45 am

Dubrow555 wrote: Tue Feb 24, 2026 9:25 am

Minecraft being ahead of 3 of the most influential games of all time has never sat right with me (Pacman alone has gotta have much more cultural impact, right?)

I don't think there are any games that clearly have more cultural impact than Minecraft, except for Mario.

It's clearly less influential than those games, way more popular than SFII and Doom, more popular than Pac-Man as well, though it's closer, and clearly more acclaimed than Pac-Man.

Do we know that sure? Do we have an accurate account of people who played Pacman throughout the 1980's and onward?

Dubrow555 wrote: Tue Feb 24, 2026 7:25 pm Responding to: "It's not like either of those were invented by FFVII." directly:

but all of those games were the first to popularize/be widely accepted as the innovators of their respective genre.

Tim wrote: Tue Feb 24, 2026 7:57 pm and you could argue it's among the more important casual games.

Tim wrote: Tue Feb 24, 2026 7:57 pm Well, Thief is #10 on 1998 and near the bottom of all time list and seemingly beats it in both acclaim and influence clearly so I doubt it makes either. Just seems like we overlooked it completely and you could argue it's among the more important casual games.