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Re: Movie Directors' Top Films
Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2025 6:49 am
by pauldrach
ManPerson wrote: Thu Jul 03, 2025 2:29 pmHow do you think SGHI and Blackkklansman compare
I could see Crooklyn on his list as well considering it's one of his higher ranked films on tspdt.
SGHI wins influence easily. BlacKkKlansman wins popularity easily. I'd give BlacKkKlansman initial and audience acclaim, SGHI lasting and popular acclaim. Overall, BlacKkKlansman's acclaim wins seem a little more decisive than SGHI's.
I'm not completely opposed to adding Crooklyn but don't see it as a necessary move either. Other opinions?
Re: Movie Directors' Top Films
Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2025 6:55 am
by pauldrach
Got to look at Hideaki Anno after all:
Sherick wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2024 1:09 pmHideaki Anno
1. Neon Genesis Evangelion (TV series, 1995-1996)
2. The End of Evangelion (1997)
3. Evangelion 3.0+1.0: Thrice Upon a Time (2021)
4. Shin Godzilla (2016)
5. Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water (TV series, 1990-1991)
6. Evangelion 2.0: You Can (Not) Advance (2009)
7. Aim for the Top! Gunbuster (TV series, 1988-1989)
8. Evangelion 3.33: You Can (Not) Redo (2012)
9. Love & Pop (1998)
10. Shiki-Jitsu (2000)
Here's what I suggest:
Hideaki Anno (1960-)
1. Neon Genesis Evangelion [TV series] (1995-1996)
2. The End of Evangelion [with Kazuya Tsurumaki] (1997)
3. Evangelion 3.0+1.0: Thrice Upon a Time [with Kazuya Tsurumaki, Katsuichi Nakayama & Mahiro Maeda] (2021)
4. Shin Godzilla [with Shinji Higuchi] (2016)
5. Evangelion: 1.0 You Are (Not) Alone [with Masayuki & Kazuya Tsurumaki] (2007)
6. Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water [with Shinji Higuchi] (1990-1991)
7. Evangelion 2.0: You Can (Not) Advance [with Masayuki & Kazuya Tsurumaki] (2009)
8. Shiki-Jitsu (2000)
9. Gunbuster (1988-1989)
10. Evangelion 3.0: You Can (Not) Redo [with Mahiro Maeda, Kazuya Tsurumaki & Masayuki] (2012)
"Evangelion 1.0" is among the few of his works listed on TSPDT, is among his most popular works and I'd give it some influence for successfully starting the "Rebuild" tetralogy. Shiki-Jitsu also seems to be very acclaimed so I'd have it higher than Sherick did. "Love & Pop" appears relatively insignificant to me.
Re: Movie Directors' Top Films
Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2025 10:23 am
by ManPerson
Fair enough on SGHI and Blackkklansman.
I'd say Crooklyn's win in popularity is bigger than 4 Little Girls' in acclaim, considering Crooklyn has a pretty significant advantage on tspdt.
Re: Movie Directors' Top Films
Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2025 10:29 am
by Dubrow555
pauldrach wrote: Fri Jul 04, 2025 6:49 am
ManPerson wrote: Thu Jul 03, 2025 2:29 pmHow do you think SGHI and Blackkklansman compare
I could see Crooklyn on his list as well considering it's one of his higher ranked films on tspdt.
SGHI wins influence easily. BlacKkKlansman wins popularity easily. I'd give BlacKkKlansman initial and audience acclaim, SGHI lasting and popular acclaim. Overall, BlacKkKlansman's acclaim wins seem a little more decisive than SGHI's.
I'm not completely opposed to adding Crooklyn but don't see it as a necessary move either. Other opinions?
Probably correct, but I'd give Blackkklansman some influence credit for being John David Washington's breakout as a leading man. Either way, kind of seems like Blackkklansman is properly placed.
Re: Movie Directors' Top Films
Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2025 11:30 am
by Tim
That's pretty minor as compared with She's Gotta Have It's influence which is cited as a milestone within both African American and independent cinema.
Re: Movie Directors' Top Films
Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2025 3:05 pm
by Sherick
pauldrach wrote: Fri Jul 04, 2025 6:55 am
Got to look at Hideaki Anno after all:
Sherick wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2024 1:09 pmHideaki Anno
1. Neon Genesis Evangelion (TV series, 1995-1996)
2. The End of Evangelion (1997)
3. Evangelion 3.0+1.0: Thrice Upon a Time (2021)
4. Shin Godzilla (2016)
5. Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water (TV series, 1990-1991)
6. Evangelion 2.0: You Can (Not) Advance (2009)
7. Aim for the Top! Gunbuster (TV series, 1988-1989)
8. Evangelion 3.33: You Can (Not) Redo (2012)
9. Love & Pop (1998)
10. Shiki-Jitsu (2000)
Here's what I suggest:
Hideaki Anno (1960-)
1. Neon Genesis Evangelion [TV series] (1995-1996)
2. The End of Evangelion [with Kazuya Tsurumaki] (1997)
3. Evangelion 3.0+1.0: Thrice Upon a Time [with Kazuya Tsurumaki, Katsuichi Nakayama & Mahiro Maeda] (2021)
4. Shin Godzilla [with Shinji Higuchi] (2016)
5. Evangelion: 1.0 You Are (Not) Alone [with Masayuki & Kazuya Tsurumaki] (2007)
6. Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water [with Shinji Higuchi] (1990-1991)
7. Evangelion 2.0: You Can (Not) Advance [with Masayuki & Kazuya Tsurumaki] (2009)
8. Shiki-Jitsu (2000)
9. Gunbuster (1988-1989)
10. Evangelion 3.0: You Can (Not) Redo [with Mahiro Maeda, Kazuya Tsurumaki & Masayuki] (2012)
"Evangelion 1.0" is among the few of his works listed on TSPDT, is among his most popular works and I'd give it some influence for successfully starting the "Rebuild" tetralogy. Shiki-Jitsu also seems to be very acclaimed so I'd have it higher than Sherick did. "Love & Pop" appears relatively insignificant to me.
The first is just a slightly-altered recap of the TV series, hence its popularity. I would not call that an influence win since this was a planned series and 1.0 only starts the recap which is continued and climaxed in 2.0. The degree of flop it would have had to have been to stop the second one from happening is almost inconceivable. Really Nadia should be ahead of it, for popularity, influence and maybe acclaim.
Re: Movie Directors' Top Films
Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2025 3:19 pm
by ManPerson
Also, I know I'm late on this, shouldn't Get Smart be on Mel Brooks' list?
Re: Movie Directors' Top Films
Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2025 3:48 pm
by Sherick
He wrote it but didn't direct it, and, according to Wikipedia: "had little involvement with the series after the first season"
Re: Movie Directors' Top Films
Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2025 5:27 am
by pauldrach
Sherick wrote: Fri Jul 04, 2025 3:05 pm
pauldrach wrote: Fri Jul 04, 2025 6:55 am
Got to look at Hideaki Anno after all:
Sherick wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2024 1:09 pmHideaki Anno
1. Neon Genesis Evangelion (TV series, 1995-1996)
2. The End of Evangelion (1997)
3. Evangelion 3.0+1.0: Thrice Upon a Time (2021)
4. Shin Godzilla (2016)
5. Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water (TV series, 1990-1991)
6. Evangelion 2.0: You Can (Not) Advance (2009)
7. Aim for the Top! Gunbuster (TV series, 1988-1989)
8. Evangelion 3.33: You Can (Not) Redo (2012)
9. Love & Pop (1998)
10. Shiki-Jitsu (2000)
Here's what I suggest:
Hideaki Anno (1960-)
1. Neon Genesis Evangelion [TV series] (1995-1996)
2. The End of Evangelion [with Kazuya Tsurumaki] (1997)
3. Evangelion 3.0+1.0: Thrice Upon a Time [with Kazuya Tsurumaki, Katsuichi Nakayama & Mahiro Maeda] (2021)
4. Shin Godzilla [with Shinji Higuchi] (2016)
5. Evangelion: 1.0 You Are (Not) Alone [with Masayuki & Kazuya Tsurumaki] (2007)
6. Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water [with Shinji Higuchi] (1990-1991)
7. Evangelion 2.0: You Can (Not) Advance [with Masayuki & Kazuya Tsurumaki] (2009)
8. Shiki-Jitsu (2000)
9. Gunbuster (1988-1989)
10. Evangelion 3.0: You Can (Not) Redo [with Mahiro Maeda, Kazuya Tsurumaki & Masayuki] (2012)
"Evangelion 1.0" is among the few of his works listed on TSPDT, is among his most popular works and I'd give it some influence for successfully starting the "Rebuild" tetralogy. Shiki-Jitsu also seems to be very acclaimed so I'd have it higher than Sherick did. "Love & Pop" appears relatively insignificant to me.
The first is just a slightly-altered recap of the TV series, hence its popularity. I would not call that an influence win since this was a planned series and 1.0 only starts the recap which is continued and climaxed in 2.0. The degree of flop it would have had to have been to stop the second one from happening is almost inconceivable. Really Nadia should be ahead of it, for popularity, influence and maybe acclaim.
Swapped 1.0 and Nadia.
Re: Movie Directors' Top Films
Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2025 5:35 am
by pauldrach
ManPerson wrote: Fri Jul 04, 2025 3:19 pm
Also, I know I'm late on this, shouldn't Get Smart be on Mel Brooks' list?
He co-created it so it's definitely eligible. Since it's generally associated with Brooks, I also don't think we need to make an exception for it.
Where do you see it?
Re: Movie Directors' Top Films
Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2025 5:38 am
by pauldrach
ManPerson wrote: Fri Jul 04, 2025 10:23 am
Fair enough on SGHI and Blackkklansman.
I'd say Crooklyn's win in popularity is bigger than 4 Little Girls' in acclaim, considering Crooklyn has a pretty significant advantage on tspdt.
Added Crooklyn at #10.
Re: Movie Directors' Top Films
Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2025 10:25 am
by ManPerson
pauldrach wrote: Sat Jul 05, 2025 5:35 am
ManPerson wrote: Fri Jul 04, 2025 3:19 pm
Also, I know I'm late on this, shouldn't Get Smart be on Mel Brooks' list?
He co-created it so it's definitely eligible. Since it's generally associated with Brooks, I also don't think we need to make an exception for it.
Where do you see it?
4th, maybe?
Re: Movie Directors' Top Films
Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2025 10:53 am
by Sherick
pauldrach wrote: Sat Jul 05, 2025 5:35 am
ManPerson wrote: Fri Jul 04, 2025 3:19 pm
Also, I know I'm late on this, shouldn't Get Smart be on Mel Brooks' list?
He co-created it so it's definitely eligible. Since it's generally associated with Brooks, I also don't think we need to make an exception for it.
Where do you see it?
Co-creating isn't the same as directing though. He isn't credited with directing a single episode and as I said, his involvement lessens after the first season.
Re: Movie Directors' Top Films
Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2025 1:38 am
by pauldrach
Sherick wrote: Sat Jul 05, 2025 10:53 am
pauldrach wrote: Sat Jul 05, 2025 5:35 am
ManPerson wrote: Fri Jul 04, 2025 3:19 pm
Also, I know I'm late on this, shouldn't Get Smart be on Mel Brooks' list?
He co-created it so it's definitely eligible. Since it's generally associated with Brooks, I also don't think we need to make an exception for it.
Where do you see it?
Co-creating isn't the same as directing though. He isn't credited with directing a single episode and as I said, his involvement lessens after the first season.
No, it's clearly not the same. The problem is that we haven't reached an agreement on how to deal with TV series. It was once decided that "Twin Peaks" had to be on Lynch's list or something would be missing. He directed six of the first two seasons' thirty episodes and is now listed alongside Mark Frost, who directed none. Originally the co-credit read "with others".
As I said, I don't see a problem with listing "Get Smart" on Brooks' list since the series is associated with him even though he eventually stopped directing any of it. Maybe renaming the list something like "Movie directors' top works" or even "Movie auteurs' top works" would currently be more apt but that'd open new cans of worms. Other opinions?
Re: Movie Directors' Top Films
Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2025 5:54 am
by Tim
pauldrach wrote: Sun Jul 06, 2025 1:38 amAs I said, I don't see a problem with listing "Get Smart" on Brooks' list since the series is associated with him even though he eventually stopped directing any of it. Maybe renaming the list something like "Movie directors' top works" or even "Movie auteurs' top works" would currently be more apt but that'd open new cans of worms. Other opinions?
Wouldn't the latter title make someone like Irving Thalberg eligible for a list here? I'd rather keep it to the directors, regardless of their auteurdom.
Re: Movie Directors' Top Films
Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2025 4:48 am
by pauldrach
Me too but what about TV series?