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Dubrow555 wrote: Wed Jul 16, 2025 5:12 pm The Twin Peaks thing is a little silly....the original 1990-91 series, Fire Walk with Me, and The Return all have separate IMDB entries
Fire Walk with Me is clearly its own movie that exists in the same franchise/universe as Twin Peaks so I agree with making it separate.
- if we combine them all, then why combine the three LOTR movies into one entry?
Except Twin Peaks: Return is widely considered to be the third season of the show so it would be more like considering seasons 1 and 2 of Twin Peaks to be their own separate shows.
I personally don't think Twin Peaks 1990-91 should technically be eligible because he only directed about 6 episodes
Considering he was the creator, showrunner, and he directed several episodes, I feel that is sufficient for him to be a clear auteur over the show.
...BUT - if you all consider it eligible, might as well make it the #1.
Agreed.
MD + BV didn't quite crack the top 100 all time movie list. I have a feeling Twin Peaks would be somewhere in the top 20-30 entries in the inevitable DDD All time TV shows list.
No...Tim wrote: Wed Jul 16, 2025 4:58 pmDid grok write this?Zach wrote: Wed Jul 16, 2025 12:17 pmI agree with putting Twin Peaks at #1 -- it's undoubtedly the most well-known and celebrated thing he's ever done.pauldrach wrote: Wed Jul 16, 2025 10:12 am I object neither to having TP as Lynch's #1, nor to including The Return as part of it. What about Fire Walk with Me then? Should that also just be included under the "Twin Peaks" banner or should that become #10?
Treating The Return as part of Twin Peaks also emphasizes the cohesive, decades-spanning storytelling arc Lynch crafted, rather than fragmenting it into different ranked entries. Meanwhile, Fire Walk with Me makes more sense as a separate entry -- it's different in tone and stands alone more clearly as a distinct film that reframes the original series rather than simply continuing it.
I disagree with this completely, which is also why I'd rather keep The Return as a separate entry from the original run. IMO The Return is just as different in tone to the original series as FWwM is. If anything, I'd consider The Return and FWwM the two that are most similar in tone as well as the two most obviously Lynchian, whereas the original run included as much Frost as Lynch, which is why its inclusion is debatable at least.Zach wrote: Wed Jul 16, 2025 12:17 pmI agree with putting Twin Peaks at #1 -- it's undoubtedly the most well-known and celebrated thing he's ever done.pauldrach wrote: Wed Jul 16, 2025 10:12 am I object neither to having TP as Lynch's #1, nor to including The Return as part of it. What about Fire Walk with Me then? Should that also just be included under the "Twin Peaks" banner or should that become #10?
Treating The Return as part of Twin Peaks also emphasizes the cohesive, decades-spanning storytelling arc Lynch crafted, rather than fragmenting it into different ranked entries. Meanwhile, Fire Walk with Me makes more sense as a separate entry -- it's different in tone and stands alone more clearly as a distinct film that reframes the original series rather than simply continuing it.
TLP probably wins initial acclaim and popularity though not quite by as much as HCW wins lasting acclaim and popularity. Combined with its influence win, it might be enough to give the edge to TLP but it's by no means decisive. So, if anyone wants their order changed, I'm ok with swapping.ManPerson wrote: Thu Jul 17, 2025 3:44 pm I'm curious how Heaven Can Wait and The Love Parade break down. It seems like HCW definitively wins acclaim and popularity so do you consider TLP's influence win to be big enough?
I agree with this completely by the way. And if Jackson had a stronger filmography, I's probably have the two trilogies as one entry each.Dubrow555 wrote: Wed Jul 16, 2025 5:12 pm The Twin Peaks thing is a little silly....the original 1990-91 series, Fire Walk with Me, and The Return all have separate IMDB entries - if we combine them all, then why combine the three LOTR movies into one entry? I personally don't think Twin Peaks 1990-91 should technically be eligible because he only directed about 6 episodes...BUT - if you all consider it eligible, might as well make it the #1. MD + BV didn't quite crack the top 100 all time movie list. I have a feeling Twin Peaks would be somewhere in the top 20-30 entries in the inevitable DDD All time TV shows list.
According to UMR, at least, HCW's adjusted box office was higher than TLP's, which would suggest higher initial popularity, so I'd be inclined to think HCW should win here.pauldrach wrote: Fri Jul 18, 2025 6:18 amTLP probably wins initial acclaim and popularity though not quite by as much as HCW wins lasting acclaim and popularity. Combined with its influence win, it might be enough to give the edge to TLP but it's by no means decisive. So, if anyone wants their order changed, I'm ok with swapping.ManPerson wrote: Thu Jul 17, 2025 3:44 pm I'm curious how Heaven Can Wait and The Love Parade break down. It seems like HCW definitively wins acclaim and popularity so do you consider TLP's influence win to be big enough?
Fine with me.Dubrow555 wrote: Fri Jul 18, 2025 11:58 am Glad you agree, the more I think about it - lumping all three seasons of Twin Peaks really diminishes the achievement of "The Return." Yes, it is technically the "third season" - but it also functions as its' own standalone work from an auteur director that is/should be associated with the 2010's, rather than the with the 1990's original series. So, my vote would be to keep Paulo's original Lynch list ranking, but move Twin Peaks (1990-91) up to the #1 entry.
COMPLETELY? I see how it is.pauldrach wrote: Fri Jul 18, 2025 6:12 amI disagree with this completely, which is also why I'd rather keep The Return as a separate entry from the original run. IMO The Return is just as different in tone to the original series as FWwM is. If anything, I'd consider The Return and FWwM the two that are most similar in tone as well as the two most obviously Lynchian, whereas the original run included as much Frost as Lynch, which is why its inclusion is debatable at least.Zach wrote: Wed Jul 16, 2025 12:17 pmI agree with putting Twin Peaks at #1 -- it's undoubtedly the most well-known and celebrated thing he's ever done.pauldrach wrote: Wed Jul 16, 2025 10:12 am I object neither to having TP as Lynch's #1, nor to including The Return as part of it. What about Fire Walk with Me then? Should that also just be included under the "Twin Peaks" banner or should that become #10?
Treating The Return as part of Twin Peaks also emphasizes the cohesive, decades-spanning storytelling arc Lynch crafted, rather than fragmenting it into different ranked entries. Meanwhile, Fire Walk with Me makes more sense as a separate entry -- it's different in tone and stands alone more clearly as a distinct film that reframes the original series rather than simply continuing it.
With regards to what M wrote: Was Lynch even the showrunner for the first two seasons? The middle of season 2 doesn't bear Lynch's handwriting at all (beraly even Frost's for that matter).
That's adjusted for inflation, not adjusted for the total number of moviegoers. TLP is significantly higher on its yearly list than HCW so for its year it certainly wins popularity. But, as I said, not decisive. I'll swap since you seem to be adamant about it.ManPerson wrote: Fri Jul 18, 2025 4:20 pmAccording to UMR, at least, HCW's adjusted box office was higher than TLP's, which would suggest higher initial popularity, so I'd be inclined to think HCW should win here.pauldrach wrote: Fri Jul 18, 2025 6:18 amTLP probably wins initial acclaim and popularity though not quite by as much as HCW wins lasting acclaim and popularity. Combined with its influence win, it might be enough to give the edge to TLP but it's by no means decisive. So, if anyone wants their order changed, I'm ok with swapping.ManPerson wrote: Thu Jul 17, 2025 3:44 pm I'm curious how Heaven Can Wait and The Love Parade break down. It seems like HCW definitively wins acclaim and popularity so do you consider TLP's influence win to be big enough?