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Both true. What do others think? I'd be willing to give in in both cases (Salles and Coogler).

I vote waiting a bit on Sinners

I can't wait to see OBAA!

I liked Sinners. Maybe a touch overrated, though.

I'd have Black Panther and I'm Still Here atop of their respective lists.

pauldrach wrote: Tue Sep 23, 2025 4:11 am

ManPerson wrote: Mon Sep 22, 2025 4:13 pmDepending on how it does in award season, I could maybe even see Sinners at #1.

I definitely don't see that yet.

I'm fine with First Reformed > Mishima

ManPerson wrote: Mon Sep 22, 2025 4:25 pmI'm curious about I'm Still Here vs Central Station, Mishima vs First Reformed and King of Comedy vs The Irishman.

"I'm Still Here" already takes lasting popularity, also initial acclaim though that is very close. Initial popularity and influence are so close that I wouldn't want to choose a winner. Lasting acclaim can't be judged yet.

In terms of popularity, "The Irishman" clearly blows "The King of Comedy" out of the water. It grossed thrice as much despite only a limited theatrical release, and the difference on rating sites is even more profound. Initial acclaim is another obvious win for TI. TKoC may just win influence but clearly by less than TI takes popularity and initial acclaim. Lasting acclaim is the only criterion I'd say TKoC takes with relative ease but again TI already has a very respectable rank within TSPDT's all-time top 2,500, a rare feat for such a recent film.

Keep in mind on places like letterboxd and imdb there is a fair amount of recency bias (letterboxd especially) so I'd hardly say I'm Still Here's win in lasting popularity is particularly conclusive, and after adjusting for inflation I'd give Central Station the win but I agree that its close. Obviously lasting acclaim is hard to measure for a new film but for comparison's sake, let's look at how Central Station and I'm Still Here rank for the respective years on TSPDT.

Central Station 1998 ranking: 13
I'm Still Here 2024 ranking: 53

This is a pretty clear difference, in fact, Central Station actually ranks higher on TSPDT's overall list than I'm Still Here ranks on the 21st century ranking, and since Central Station and I'm Still Here are, as you said, very close in initial acclaim and audience acclaim, I'd give Central Station the overall win in acclaim.

For The Irishman vs The King of Comedy, The Irishman certainly has better initial credentials, so I'm pretty much fine with it ahead, but I think its seemingly definitive advantage in lasting popularity on rating sites is affected by recency bias as well, fwiw when comparing how The Irishman and the King of Comedy place on IMDb's most voted films for their respective decades here is how it turns out

The Irishman (2010s ranking): 173
The King of Comedy (1980s ranking): 115

That's sound reasoning. I'll swap the top spots on the Salles list. While there seems to be as much of an anti-recency bias on TSPDT and similar lists, your comparisons via year or decade ranks is rather enlightening. I'll keep the Scorsese ranks as I had them for now but of course nothing is set in stone.

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Zach wrote: Wed Sep 24, 2025 12:12 pm I can't wait to see OBAA!

Just got back from the theater. Top-tier PTA, without doubt.

Likewise, PTA gonna be a three-time Oscar winner in a few months.

It wouldn't surprise me if Sean Penn becomes one, too. I'm not really a fan of his, but his performance in this was exceptional.

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George Seaton
1. Miracle on 34th Street (1947)
2. Airport (1970)
3. The Country Girl (1954)
4. Teacher's Pet (1958)
5. Apartment for Peggy (1948)
6. The Counterfeit Traitor (1962)
7. 36 Hours (1964)
8. The Pleasure of His Company (1961)
9. Little Boy Lost (1953)
10. The Proud and Profane (1956)

Henry Selick
1. The Nightmare Before Christmas (1993)
2. Coraline (2009)
3. James and the Giant Peach (1996)
4. Wendell & Wild (2022)
5. Monkeybone (2001)
6. Moongirl (2005)
7. Seepage (1982)
8. Slow Bob in the Lower Dimensions (1991)
9. Fishbone: Party at Ground Zero (1985)
10. Tube Tales (1975)

Ousmane Sembène
1. Black Girl (1966)
2. Xala (1975)
3. Moolaadé (2003)
4. Ceddo (1977)
5. Mandabi (1968)
6. Camp de Thiaroye [with Thierno Faty Sow] (1988)
7. Borom sarret (1963)
8. Emitaï (1971)
9. Guelwaar (1992)
10. Faat Kiné (2001)

Mack Sennett
1. Tillie's Punctured Romance (1914)
2. A Noise from the Deep (1913)
3. Barney Oldfield's Race for a Life (1913)
4. A Dash Through the Clouds (1912)
5. The Water Nymph (1912)
6. Mabel's Dramatic Career (1913)
7. Hoffmeyer's Legacy (1912)
8. A Busy Day (1914)
9. The Waiters' Picnic (1913)
10. I Surrender Dear (1931)

Tom Shadyac
1. Ace Ventura: Pet Detective (1994)
2. Bruce Almighty (2003)
3. Liar Liar (1997)
4. Patch Adams (1998)
5. The Nutty Professor (1996)
6. Evan Almighty (2007)
7. Brian Banks (2018)
8. Dragonfly (2002)
9. I Am (2010)
10. Frankenstein: The College Years (1991)

Lynn Shelton
1. Your Sister's Sister (2011)
2. Outside In (2017)
3. Humpday (2009)
4. Laggies (2014)
5. Sword of Trust (2019)
6. Touchy Feely (2013)
7. Marc Maron: Too Real (2017)
8. Marc Maron: End Times Fun (2020)
9. My Effortless Brilliance (2008)
10. We Go Way Back (2006)

Jim Sheridan
1. In the Name of the Father (1993)
2. My Left Foot: The Story of Christy Brown (1989)
3. In America (2002)
4. The Boxer (1997)
5. Brothers (2009)
6. Get Rich or Die Tryin' (2005)
7. The Field (1990)
8. Dream House (2011)
9. The Secret Scripture (2016)
10. Murder at the Cottage: The Search for Justice for Sophie (2021)

Makoto Shinkai
1. Your Name. (2016)
2. Suzume (2022)
3. Weathering with You (2019)
4. 5 Centimeters per Second (2007)
5. The Garden of Words (2013)
6. Children Who Chase Lost Voices (2011)
7. The Place Promised in Our Early Days (2004)
8. Voices of a Distant Star (2002)
9. She and Her Cat (1999)
10. Someone's Gaze (2013)

M. Night Shyamalan
1. The Sixth Sense (1999)
2. Unbreakable (2000)
3. Split (2016)
4. Signs (2002)
5. The Village (2004)
6. The Visit (2015)
7. Glass (2019)
8. The Happening (2008)
9. Old (2021)
10. Trap (2024)

George Sidney
1. Anchors Aweigh (1945)
2. Scaramouche (1952)
3. The Three Musketeers (1948)
4. Annie Get Your Gun (1950)
5. The Harvey Girls (1946)
6. Show Boat (1951)
7. Bye Bye Birdie (1963)
8. Bathing Beauty (1944)
9. Pal Joey (1957)
10. Kiss Me Kate (1953)

Don Siegel
1. Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1956)
2. Dirty Harry (1971)
3. The Shootist (1976)
4. Escape from Alcatraz (1979)
5. Charley Varrick (1973)
6. Coogan's Bluff (1968)
7. The Beguiled (1971)
8. Madigan (1968)
9. Riot in Cell Block 11 (1954)
10. The Big Steal (1949)

Bryan Singer
1. The Usual Suspects (1995)
2. X-Men (2000)
3. Bohemian Rhapsody (2018)
4. X-Men: Days of Future Past (2014)
5. X2 (2003)
6. Superman Returns (2006)
7. X-Men: Apocalypse (2016)
8. Valkyrie (2008)
9. Mockingbird Lane (2012)
10. Apt Pupil (1998)

Tarsem Singh
1. R.E.M.: Losing My Religion (1991)
2. The Fall (2006)
3. The Cell (2000)
4. Lady Gaga: 911 (2020)
5. Immortals (2011)
6. Mirror Mirror (2012)
7. Deep Forest: Sweet Lullaby (1993)
8. Emerald City (2017)
9. Dear Jassi (2023)
10. En Vogue: Hold On (1990)

John Singleton
1. Boyz n the Hood (1991)
2. Baby Boy (2001)
3. Poetic Justice (1993)
4. Four Brothers (2005)
5. 2 Fast 2 Furious (2003)
6. Rosewood (1997)
7. Shaft (2000)
8. Michael Jackson: Remember the Time (1992)
9. Higher Learning (1995)
10. Abduction (2011)

Robert Siodmak
1. People on Sunday [with Edgar G. Ulmer] (1930)
2. The Killers (1946)
3. The Spiral Staircase (1946)
4. Criss Cross (1949)
5. Phantom Lady (1944)
6. The Crimson Pirate (1952)
7. The Dark Mirror (1946)
8. The Suspect (1944)
9. Cry of the City (1948)
10. Christmas Holiday (1944)

Douglas Sirk
1. Imitation of Life (1959)
2. All That Heaven Allows (1955)
3. Written on the Wind (1956)
4. A Time to Love and a Time to Die (1958)
5. Magnificent Obsession (1954)
6. The Tarnished Angels (1957)
7. There's Always Tomorrow (1956)
8. Lured (1947)
9. All I Desire (1953)
10. To New Shores (1937)

Victor Sjöström
1. The Phantom Carriage (1921)
2. The Wind (1928)
3. A Man There Was (1917)
4. He Who Gets Slapped (1924)
5. The Outlaw and His Wife (1918)
6. Ingeborg Holm (1913)
7. The Scarlet Letter (1926)
8. The Lass from the Stormy Croft (1917)
9. Sons of Ingmar (1919)
10. The Gardener (1912)

Jerzy Skolimowski
1. Deep End (1970)
2. EO (2022)
3. Moonlighting (1982)
4. The Shout (1978)
5. The Departure (1967)
6. Essential Killing (2010)
7. Four Nights with Anna (2008)
8. The Lightship (1985)
9. Barrier (1966)
10. Identification Marks: None (1965)

Chris Smith
1. American Movie (1999)
2. Jim & Andy: The Great Beyond (2017)
3. Fyre (2019)
4. Collapse (2009)
5. Mr. McMahon (2024)
6. Wham! (2023)
7. 100 Foot Wave (2021-)
8. "Sr." (2022)
9. The Yes Men [with Dan Ollman & Sarah Price] (2003)
10. The Pool (2007)

Michael Snow
RIP 1928-2023

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Sidney Franklin (1893-1972)
1. The Good Earth (1937)
2. The Barretts of Wimpole Street (1934)
3. The Hoodlum (1919)
4. Smilin' Through (1922)
5. Smilin' Through (1932)
6. Private Lives (1931)
7. Heart o' the Hills [with Joseph De Grasse] (1919)
8. Beverly of Graustark (1926)
9. Going Straight [with Chester M. Franklin] (1916)
10. The Dark Angel (1935)

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Zack Snyder
1. 300 (2006)
2. Watchmen (2009)
3. Man of Steel (2013)
4. Zack Snyder's Justice League (2021)
5. Dawn of the Dead (2004)
6. Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
7. Justice League (2017)
8. Army of the Dead (2021)
9. Legend of the Guardians: The Owls of Ga'Hoole (2010)
10. Rebel Moon, Part One: A Child of Fire (2023)

Steven Soderbergh
1. Sex, Lies, and Videotape (1989)
2. Traffic (2000)
3. Erin Brockovich (2000)
4. Ocean's Eleven (2001)
5. Out of Sight (1998)
6. Contagion (2011)
7. Che (2008)
8. Magic Mike (2012)
9. The Limey (1999)
10. The Knick (2014-2015)

Alexander Sokurov
1. Russian Ark (2002)
2. Mother and Son (1997)
3. The Sun (2005)
4. Days of Eclipse (1988)
5. The Second Circle (1990)
6. Whispering Pages (1994)
7. Faust (2011)
8. Alexandra (2007)
9. Fairytale (2022)
10. Father and Son (2003)

Todd Solondz
1. Happiness (1998)
2. Welcome to the Dollhouse (1995)
3. Storytelling (2001)
4. Palindromes (2004)
5. Life During Wartime (2009)
6. Wiener-Dog (2016)
7. Dark Horse (2011)
8. Fear, Anxiety & Depression (1989)
9. Feelings (1984)
10. Schatt's Last Shot (1985)

Barry Sonnenfeld
1. Men in Black (1997)
2. The Addams Family (1991)
3. Get Shorty (1995)
4. Men in Black 3 (2012)
5. Addams Family Values (1993)
6. Men in Black II (2002)
7. Wild Wild West (1999)
8. Big Trouble (2002)
9. RV (2006)
10. For Love of Money (1993)

Paolo Sorrentino
1. The Great Beauty (2013)
2. Il divo (2008)
3. The Consequences of Love (2004)
4. The Hand of God (2021)
5. Youth (2015)
6. The Young Pope (2016)
7. The New Pope (2019-2020)
8. This Must Be the Place (2011)
9. One Man Up (2001)
10. The Family Friend (2006)

Penelope Spheeris
1. Wayne's World (1992)
2. The Decline of Western Civilization (1981)
3. Suburbia (1983)
4. The Decline of Western Civilization Part II: The Metal Years (1988)
5. The Little Rascals (1994)
6. The Decline of Western Civilization Part III (1998)
7. Black Sheep (1996)
8. The Boys Next Door (1985)
9. Dudes (1987)
10. Senseless (1998)

Steven Spielberg
1. Jaws (1975)
2. Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981)
3. Schindler's List (1993)
4. E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial (1982)
5. Saving Private Ryan (1998)
6. Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1977)
7. Jurassic Park (1993)
8. The Color Purple (1985)
9. Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (1989)
10. Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom (1984)

Andrew Stanton
1. WALL·E (2008)
2. Finding Nemo [with Lee Unkrich] (2003)
3. Finding Dory [with Angus MacLane] (2016)
4. John Carter (2012)
5. A Story (1987)

Josef von Sternberg
1. The Blue Angel (1930)
2. Shanghai Express (1932)
3. The Last Command (1928)
4. The Scarlet Empress (1934)
5. Morocco (1930)
6. The Docks of New York (1928)
7. Underworld (1927)
8. Dishonored (1931)
9. Blonde Venus (1932)
10. The Devil Is a Woman (1935)

George Stevens
1. Shane (1953)
2. A Place in the Sun (1951)
3. Swing Time (1936)
4. Giant (1956)
5. Gunga Din (1939)
6. Woman of the Year (1942)
7. The Talk of the Town (1942)
8. The More the Merrier (1943)
9. The Diary of Anne Frank (1959)
10. Alice Adams (1935)

Robert Stevenson
1. Mary Poppins (1964)
2. Old Yeller (1957)
3. Jane Eyre (1943)
4. The Love Bug (1968)
5. The Absent-Minded Professor (1961)
6. Bedknobs and Broomsticks (1971)
7. That Darn Cat! (1965)
8. Darby O'Gill and the Little People (1959)
9. In Search of the Castaways (1962)
10. Blackbeard's Ghost (1968)

Ben Stiller
1. Zoolander (2001)
2. Severance (2022-)
3. Tropic Thunder (2008)
4. The Cable Guy (1996)
5. The Secret Life of Walter Mitty (2013)
6. Reality Bites (1994)
7. Escape at Dannemora (2018)
8. The Ben Stiller Show (1992-1995)
9. Zoolander 2 (2016)
10. Heat Vision and Jack (1999)

Mauritz Stiller
1. Sir Arne's Treasure (1919)
2. The Saga of Gösta Berling (1924)
3. Erotikon (1920)
4. The Blizzard (1923)
5. Thomas Graal's Best Film (1917)
6. Johan (1921)
7. Song of the Scarlet Flower (1919)
8. The Wings (1916)
9. Thomas Graal's Best Child (1918)
10. Hotel Imperial (1927)

Whit Stillman
1. Metropolitan (1990)
2. Love & Friendship (2016)
3. Barcelona (1994)
4. The Last Days of Disco (1998)
5. Damsels in Distress (2011)

Oliver Stone
1. Platoon (1986)
2. JFK (1991)
3. Born on the Fourth of July (1989)
4. Natural Born Killers (1994)
5. Wall Street (1987)
6. Salvador (1986)
7. Nixon (1995)
8. The Doors (1991)
9. Talk Radio (1988)
10. World Trade Center (2006)

Jean-Marie Straub (& Danièle Huillet) (JMS: 1933-2022)
1. The Chronicle of Anna Magdalena Bach (1968)
2. Not Reconciled [JMS] (1965)
3. Sicily! (1999)
4. Too Early/Too Late (1981)
5. From the Clouds to the Resistance (1979)
6. Klassenverhältnisse (1984)
7. Moses und Aron (1975)
8. Machorka-Muff (1963)
9. Othon (1970)
10. History Lessons (1972)

Erich von Stroheim
1. Greed (1924)
2. Foolish Wives (1922)
3. The Merry Widow (1925)
4. Blind Husbands (1919)
5. The Wedding March (1928)
6. Queen Kelly (1929/1932)
7. Merry-Go-Round [with Rupert Julian] (1923)
8. The Devil's Pass Key (1920)
9. The Honeymoon (1929)
10. Hello, Sister! [with Raoul Walsh, Alfred L. Werker & Edwin J. Burke] (1933)

Slight cheat since Stroheim directed little if anything of "Merry-Go-Round" but how else is the poor guy going to get all his important films showcased?

And the new list:

Miguel Gomes (1972-)
1. Tabu (2012)
2. Arabian Nights: Volume 1 – The Restless One (2015)
3. Our Beloved Month of August (2008)
4. Arabian Nights: Volume 2 – The Desolate One (2015)
5. Grand Tour (2024)
6. Arabian Nights: Volume 3 – The Enchanted One (2015)
7. The Tsugua Diaries [with Maureen Fazendeiro] (2021)
8. Redemption (2013)
9. The Face You Deserve (2004)
10. Meanwhile (1999)

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I'm curious about Decline of Western Civilization vs Wayne's World.
Severance's reputation is significantly stronger than Zoolander or Tropic Thunder's and it's pretty popular as well, so as hard as it is to compare between mediums, I'd say Severance's win in acclaim is stronger than the other two's win in popularity.

I'd probably give Temple of Doom popularity and influence over A.I. due to its significance for the creation of the PG-13 rating.

ManPerson wrote: Tue Oct 07, 2025 7:39 pmI'm curious about Decline of Western Civilization vs Wayne's World.

TDoWC takes acclaim, WW takes popularity and possible influence. Popularity seems to be the most decisive win so, yeah, I'll swap.

ManPerson wrote: Tue Oct 07, 2025 7:39 pmSeverance's reputation is significantly stronger than Zoolander or Tropic Thunder's and it's pretty popular as well, so as hard as it is to compare between mediums, I'd say Severance's win in acclaim is stronger than the other two's win in popularity.

I'm not sure on this. Especially Zoolander has gained some lasting acclaim that Severance just can't really have yet. As close as Zoolander and TT, how about moving Severance between the two?

ManPerson wrote: Tue Oct 07, 2025 7:39 pmI'd probably give Temple of Doom popularity and influence over A.I. due to its significance for the creation of the PG-13 rating.

I can definitely see that though it doesn't align very well with our decade ranks, according to which at least "Duel" should be ahead of IJ&tToD.

I could also see Duel in Spielberg's top 10, ig, though Temple of Doom strikes me as being low on the 1980s list anyway.

What do others think? I don't necessarily object to having IJ&tToD at #10.