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A few films that have used digital de-aging since 2019 (from wiki):

-Candyman
-Spiderman: No Way Home
-Avatar:The Way of Water
-The Flash
-Here
-Gladiator II
-Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny

*The more I think about it: I feel like both the VFX work in "Here" + "Indiana Jones 5" feel very reminiscent to the de-aging in The Irishman. Both films take very recognizable older actors and use VFX work to make them look like they did in films they were in 20-30 years ago. Thoughts?

It's not quite convincing to me yet. Even a little distracting at times. I think it'll get there, though, probably within the next few years.

Plenty of films also used digital deaging before The Irishman though.

Zach wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 10:38 am It's not quite convincing to me yet. Even a little distracting at times. I think it'll get there, though, probably within the next few years.

Sorry, I missed the context of the conversation, Dubrow. I'd give Irishman some influence in that regard.

True on both accounts...maybe as a compromise we move it down behind Joker?? Hollywood + Portrait have virtually no influence as far as I'm concerned.

I'd move it below Gone Girl. The two films are pretty much tied in acclaim, Gone Girl takes popularity fairly easily and The Irishman takes influence, but by a lot less.

How would everyone feel about this? (just realized I messed up the #'s a bit in my last draft, fixed now):

1. Parasite - Bong Joon-Ho (2019)
2. Inception - Christopher Nolan (2010)
3. Mad Max: Fury Road - George Miller (2015)
4. The Social Network - David Fincher (2010)
5. Get Out - Jordan Peele (2017)
6. The Avengers - Joss Whedon (2012)
7. Boyhood - Richard Linklater (2014)
8. Gravity - Alfonso Cuarón (2013)
9. Moonlight - Barry Jenkins (2016)
10. A Separation - Asghar Farhadi (2011)
11. Toy Story 3 - Lee Unkrich (2010)
12. Inside Out - Pete Docter & Ronnie del Carmen (2015)
13. La La Land - Damien Chazelle (2016)
14. 12 Years a Slave - Steve McQueen (2013)
15. Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse - Bob Persichetti, Peter Ramsey & Rodney Rothman (2018)
16. The Tree of Life - Terrence Malick (2011)
17. Amour - Michael Haneke (2012)
18. Birdman or (The Unexpected Virtus of Ignorance) - Alejandro González Iñárritu (2014)
19. Roma - Alfonso Cuarón (2018)
20. The Grand Budapest Hotel - Wes Anderson (2014)
21. Django Unchained - Quentin Tarantino (2012)
22. Black Swan
23. The Wolf of Wallstreet
24. Her
25. Whiplash
26. Joker
27. Avengers: Endgame
28. Black Panther
29. Interstellar
30. Arrival
31. The King's Speech
32. The Revenant
33. Gone Girl
34. The Irishman
35. Once Upon a Time in... Hollywood
36. Drive
37. Call Me by Your Name
38. Lady Bird
39. Guardians of the Galaxy
40. Skyfall

The Tree of Life and Amour are still clearly like 15 spots too high according the criteria, but I guess we agreed on it before or whatever.

Ya, I think you should let those 2 go, tbh.

The Tree of Life vs Gone Girl
Initial Acclaim: The Tree of Life
Lasting Critical Acclaim: The Tree of Life fairly easily
Lasting Audience Acclaim: Gone Girl easily
Initial Popularity: Gone Girl fairly easily
Lasting Popularity: Gone Girl easily

Acclaim: The Tree of Life
Popularity: Gone Girl easily
Influence: n/a

Amour vs Gone Girl
Initial Acclaim: Amour
Lasting Critical Acclaim: Amour
Lasting Audience Acclaim: Gone Girl close
Initial Popularity: Gone Girl fairly easily
Lasting Popularity: Gone Girl easily

Acclaim: Amour
Popularity: Gone Girl easily
Influence: Amour close

Also, I don't see why Portrait of a Lady On Fire should be 25 spots apart from these two.

Dubrow555 wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 1:09 pm Ya, I think you should let those 2 go, tbh.

Hah.

A movie vs crowd-pleasing franchise slop

Initial critical acclaim: the movie
Lasting critical acclaim: the movie
Audience acclaim: the slop
Initial popularity: the slop easily
Lasting popularity: the slop easily

Slop wins. Bonus points if it started a franchise of more slop.

I think “The Irishman” seems too low now. Good acclaim and influence.

Bruno wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 5:44 am I think “The Irishman” seems too low now. Good acclaim and influence.

ManPerson wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 12:27 pm I'd move it below Gone Girl. The two films are pretty much tied in acclaim, Gone Girl takes popularity fairly easily and The Irishman takes influence, but by a lot less.

If people think it's deaging effects were significant enough I'm fine with it moving up to #31 between Arrival and The King's Speech.

It's clear The Tree of Life and Amour moving down won't happen so...

1. Parasite - Bong Joon-Ho (2019)
2. Inception - Christopher Nolan (2010)
3. Mad Max: Fury Road - George Miller (2015)
4. The Social Network - David Fincher (2010)
5. Get Out - Jordan Peele (2017)
6. The Avengers - Joss Whedon (2012)
7. Boyhood - Richard Linklater (2014)
8. Gravity - Alfonso Cuarón (2013)
9. Moonlight - Barry Jenkins (2016)
10. A Separation - Asghar Farhadi (2011)
11. Toy Story 3 - Lee Unkrich (2010)
12. Inside Out - Pete Docter & Ronnie del Carmen (2015)
13. La La Land - Damien Chazelle (2016)
14. 12 Years a Slave - Steve McQueen (2013)
15. Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse - Bob Persichetti, Peter Ramsey & Rodney Rothman (2018)
16. The Tree of Life - Terrence Malick (2011)
17. Amour - Michael Haneke (2012)
18. Birdman or (The Unexpected Virtus of Ignorance) - Alejandro González Iñárritu (2014)
19. Roma - Alfonso Cuarón (2018)
20. The Grand Budapest Hotel - Wes Anderson (2014)
21. Django Unchained - Quentin Tarantino (2012)
22. Black Swan
23. The Wolf of Wallstreet
24. Her
25. Whiplash
26. Joker
27. Avengers: Endgame
28. Black Panther
29. Interstellar
30. Arrival
31. The Irishman
32. The King's Speech
33. The Revenant
34. Gone Girl
35. Once Upon a Time in... Hollywood
36. Drive
37. Call Me by Your Name
38. Lady Bird
39. Guardians of the Galaxy
40. Skyfall

Fido wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:35 am A movie vs crowd-pleasing franchise slop

Initial critical acclaim: the movie
Lasting critical acclaim: the movie
Audience acclaim: the slop
Initial popularity: the slop easily
Lasting popularity: the slop easily

Slop wins. Bonus points if it started a franchise of more slop.

Well, popularity is 1/3rd of the criteria so when a highly popular movie has pretty strong acclaim, it should be ranked accordingly, even though I'd agree that most movies from Marvel and the like are in fact slop.