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Re: Films 2024

Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2025 5:39 pm
by ManPerson
Dubrow555 wrote: Sun Mar 16, 2025 1:03 pm This is really sad to me. I'm disappointed that this forum wants to punish EP for essentially being "review-bombed" by loads of people who hate trans people.
While I think some of the negative reviews are definitely from transphobes, on places like Letterboxd at least, many of the very negative reviews seem from the perspective of trans allies or trans people and there's a whole section in its wikipedia page about criticism from the LGBT community.

Fwiw, here's one of the top reviews of the film on Letterboxd with 23k.

so alienated from the experience of lived trans identity that it gets many basic facts wrong, stuff that any trans person could tell you about (for one thing, emilia pérez wouldn't 'smell like a man' if she was on HRT, as hormones have a massive effect on body odor). but even disregarding that, this is yet another crash-esque panorama of trying to tackle every societal problem and then acting as if the mere effort of that attempt, rather than the actual result, is profound. liberal-centrists can seemingly only understand queerness as 'the exceptional' to their 'normality', so they make a hyperbolic spectacle out of us and then go on to say that it's good optics, that it's 'representation', when in fact it is abstraction and dehumanization -- emilia pérez is made to represent so many contradictory things that in the end the film situates her as an icon rather than a real person, it is a crude mystification of everything the film claims to care about. and none of this is to mention the fact that director audiard films his musical in the most patronizing academicist way, an empty grab-bag of techniques with no decisive point-of-view (the split-screen sequence near the climax is particularly punishing).

what emilia pérez offers is not meaning, but the sensation of supposedly meaningful things moving in rapid succession, and it hopes the resulting blur will pass by quick enough that we do not notice the superficiality of its style -- in other words, a perfect film for awards season.
A look at the most popular reviews on Letterboxd will show you other reviews in a similar vain (along with the one-liners you'll find on every other film, obviously). If anything most of the film's criticism is due to people considering it transphobic and/or xenophobic.

That's not to say that I might not have underestimated its audience reception a little bit, but it's something to keep in mind.

Re: Films 2024

Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2025 12:12 pm
by pauldrach
I quickly threw one together but it's not as well researched as my usual lists. Especially towards the bottom I was very much at a loss at which films would best be added. Anyway:

1. Anora - Sean Baker
2. Dune: Part Two - Denis Villeneuve
3. The Brutalist - Brady Corbet
4. The Substance - Coralie Fargeat
5. Emilia Pérez - Jacques Audiard
6. Conclave - Edward Berger
7. I'm Still Here - Walter Salles
8. Wicked - Jon M. Chu
9. Flow - Gints Zilbalodis​​​​​​​​​​​​​​
10. Nickel Boys - RaMell Ross

11. Challengers - Luca Guadagnino
12. Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga - George Miller
13. The Wild Robot - Chris Sanders
14. A Complete Unknown - James Mangold
15. The Seed of the Sacred Fig - Mohammad Rasoulof
16. Inside Out 2 - Kelsey Mann
17. Deadpool & Wolverine - Shawn Levy
18. Nosferatu - Robert Eggers
19. A Real Pain - Jesse Eisenberg
20. Civil War - Alex Garland

Re: Films 2024

Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2025 12:20 pm
by pauldrach
I may have Emilia Pérez too high but it would feel weird to have it outside the top 20. Probably one of the most controversially discussed films of the year. I wouldn't punish it for being divisive, which can easily happen if you only go by average scores from rating or critics consensus sites. It's clearly more critically acclaimed than Civil War or A Complete Unknown.

Re: Films 2024

Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2025 12:51 pm
by Tim
Discuss:

1. Dune: Part Two - Denis Villeneuve
2. Anora - Sean Baker
3. Wicked - Jon M. Chu
4. The Substance - Coralie Fargeat
5. The Brutalist - Brady Corbet
6. Challengers - Luca Guadagnino
7. The Wild Robot - Chris Sanders
8. Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga - George Miller
9. Inside Out 2 - Kelsey Mann
10. Conclave - Edward Berger

11. I'm Still Here - Walter Salles
12. Nickel Boys - RaMell Ross
13. Nosferatu - Robert Eggers
14. Deadpool & Wolverine - Shawn Levy
15. All We Imagine As Light - Payal Kapadia
16. Emilia Pérez - Jacques Audiard
17. Flow - Gints Zilbalodis
18. A Complete Unknown - James Mangold
19. Civil War - Alex Garland
20. The Seed of the Sacred Fig - Mohammad Rasoulof

Re: Films 2024

Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2025 5:00 pm
by ManPerson
I'd say Challengers takes popularity more easily than The Brutalist takes acclaim.

Other than that I'm fine with the list.

Re: Films 2024

Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2025 12:02 am
by Dubrow555
ManPerson wrote: Mon Mar 17, 2025 5:00 pm I'd say Challengers takes popularity more easily than The Brutalist takes acclaim.

Other than that I'm fine with the list.
I would be okay with that change as well. List looks really good Tim - my one comment would be considering moving "Seed of the Sacred Fig" up 2 slots as it pretty easily wins critical acclaim (and probably audience acclaim) plus won a special award at Cannes. Other than that I like the list a lot - seems like we all agree on 17-18 of the films present, which is pretty rare!

Re: Films 2024

Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2025 8:02 am
by Tim
So:

1. Dune: Part Two - Denis Villeneuve
2. Anora - Sean Baker
3. Wicked - Jon M. Chu
4. The Substance - Coralie Fargeat
5. Challengers - Luca Guadagnino
6. The Brutalist - Brady Corbet
7. The Wild Robot - Chris Sanders
8. Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga - George Miller
9. Inside Out 2 - Kelsey Mann
10. Conclave - Edward Berger

11. I'm Still Here - Walter Salles
12. Nickel Boys - RaMell Ross
13. Nosferatu - Robert Eggers
14. Deadpool & Wolverine - Shawn Levy
15. All We Imagine As Light - Payal Kapadia
16. Emilia Pérez - Jacques Audiard
17. Flow - Gints Zilbalodis
18. The Seed of the Sacred Fig - Mohammad Rasoulof
19. A Complete Unknown - James Mangold
20. Civil War - Alex Garland

Re: Films 2024

Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2025 8:25 am
by Dubrow555
Well done, I like it.

Re: Films 2024

Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2025 11:05 am
by pauldrach
Fine by me.

Re: Films 2024

Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2025 6:11 pm
by ManPerson
Fine by me.