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True on both accounts...maybe as a compromise we move it down behind Joker?? Hollywood + Portrait have virtually no influence as far as I'm concerned.

I'd move it below Gone Girl. The two films are pretty much tied in acclaim, Gone Girl takes popularity fairly easily and The Irishman takes influence, but by a lot less.

How would everyone feel about this? (just realized I messed up the #'s a bit in my last draft, fixed now):

1. Parasite - Bong Joon-Ho (2019)
2. Inception - Christopher Nolan (2010)
3. Mad Max: Fury Road - George Miller (2015)
4. The Social Network - David Fincher (2010)
5. Get Out - Jordan Peele (2017)
6. The Avengers - Joss Whedon (2012)
7. Boyhood - Richard Linklater (2014)
8. Gravity - Alfonso Cuarón (2013)
9. Moonlight - Barry Jenkins (2016)
10. A Separation - Asghar Farhadi (2011)
11. Toy Story 3 - Lee Unkrich (2010)
12. Inside Out - Pete Docter & Ronnie del Carmen (2015)
13. La La Land - Damien Chazelle (2016)
14. 12 Years a Slave - Steve McQueen (2013)
15. Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse - Bob Persichetti, Peter Ramsey & Rodney Rothman (2018)
16. The Tree of Life - Terrence Malick (2011)
17. Amour - Michael Haneke (2012)
18. Birdman or (The Unexpected Virtus of Ignorance) - Alejandro González Iñárritu (2014)
19. Roma - Alfonso Cuarón (2018)
20. The Grand Budapest Hotel - Wes Anderson (2014)
21. Django Unchained - Quentin Tarantino (2012)
22. Black Swan
23. The Wolf of Wallstreet
24. Her
25. Whiplash
26. Joker
27. Avengers: Endgame
28. Black Panther
29. Interstellar
30. Arrival
31. The King's Speech
32. The Revenant
33. Gone Girl
34. The Irishman
35. Once Upon a Time in... Hollywood
36. Drive
37. Call Me by Your Name
38. Lady Bird
39. Guardians of the Galaxy
40. Skyfall

The Tree of Life and Amour are still clearly like 15 spots too high according the criteria, but I guess we agreed on it before or whatever.

Ya, I think you should let those 2 go, tbh.

The Tree of Life vs Gone Girl
Initial Acclaim: The Tree of Life
Lasting Critical Acclaim: The Tree of Life fairly easily
Lasting Audience Acclaim: Gone Girl easily
Initial Popularity: Gone Girl fairly easily
Lasting Popularity: Gone Girl easily

Acclaim: The Tree of Life
Popularity: Gone Girl easily
Influence: n/a

Amour vs Gone Girl
Initial Acclaim: Amour
Lasting Critical Acclaim: Amour
Lasting Audience Acclaim: Gone Girl close
Initial Popularity: Gone Girl fairly easily
Lasting Popularity: Gone Girl easily

Acclaim: Amour
Popularity: Gone Girl easily
Influence: Amour close

Also, I don't see why Portrait of a Lady On Fire should be 25 spots apart from these two.

Dubrow555 wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 1:09 pm Ya, I think you should let those 2 go, tbh.

Hah.

A movie vs crowd-pleasing franchise slop

Initial critical acclaim: the movie
Lasting critical acclaim: the movie
Audience acclaim: the slop
Initial popularity: the slop easily
Lasting popularity: the slop easily

Slop wins. Bonus points if it started a franchise of more slop.

I think “The Irishman” seems too low now. Good acclaim and influence.

Bruno wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 5:44 am I think “The Irishman” seems too low now. Good acclaim and influence.

ManPerson wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 12:27 pm I'd move it below Gone Girl. The two films are pretty much tied in acclaim, Gone Girl takes popularity fairly easily and The Irishman takes influence, but by a lot less.

If people think it's deaging effects were significant enough I'm fine with it moving up to #31 between Arrival and The King's Speech.

It's clear The Tree of Life and Amour moving down won't happen so...

1. Parasite - Bong Joon-Ho (2019)
2. Inception - Christopher Nolan (2010)
3. Mad Max: Fury Road - George Miller (2015)
4. The Social Network - David Fincher (2010)
5. Get Out - Jordan Peele (2017)
6. The Avengers - Joss Whedon (2012)
7. Boyhood - Richard Linklater (2014)
8. Gravity - Alfonso Cuarón (2013)
9. Moonlight - Barry Jenkins (2016)
10. A Separation - Asghar Farhadi (2011)
11. Toy Story 3 - Lee Unkrich (2010)
12. Inside Out - Pete Docter & Ronnie del Carmen (2015)
13. La La Land - Damien Chazelle (2016)
14. 12 Years a Slave - Steve McQueen (2013)
15. Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse - Bob Persichetti, Peter Ramsey & Rodney Rothman (2018)
16. The Tree of Life - Terrence Malick (2011)
17. Amour - Michael Haneke (2012)
18. Birdman or (The Unexpected Virtus of Ignorance) - Alejandro González Iñárritu (2014)
19. Roma - Alfonso Cuarón (2018)
20. The Grand Budapest Hotel - Wes Anderson (2014)
21. Django Unchained - Quentin Tarantino (2012)
22. Black Swan
23. The Wolf of Wallstreet
24. Her
25. Whiplash
26. Joker
27. Avengers: Endgame
28. Black Panther
29. Interstellar
30. Arrival
31. The Irishman
32. The King's Speech
33. The Revenant
34. Gone Girl
35. Once Upon a Time in... Hollywood
36. Drive
37. Call Me by Your Name
38. Lady Bird
39. Guardians of the Galaxy
40. Skyfall

Fido wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:35 am A movie vs crowd-pleasing franchise slop

Initial critical acclaim: the movie
Lasting critical acclaim: the movie
Audience acclaim: the slop
Initial popularity: the slop easily
Lasting popularity: the slop easily

Slop wins. Bonus points if it started a franchise of more slop.

Well, popularity is 1/3rd of the criteria so when a highly popular movie has pretty strong acclaim, it should be ranked accordingly, even though I'd agree that most movies from Marvel and the like are in fact slop.

Fido wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:35 am A movie vs crowd-pleasing franchise slop

Initial critical acclaim: the movie
Lasting critical acclaim: the movie
Audience acclaim: the slop
Initial popularity: the slop easily
Lasting popularity: the slop easily

Slop wins. Bonus points if it started a franchise of more slop.

I don't think we need to dogpile on MP or anything - he makes a lot of good points and knows the criteria well.

The rough changes so far:

2019:
1. Parasite
2. Joker
3. Avengers: Endgame
4. The Irishman
5. Once Upon a Time in... Hollywood

2018:
1. Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse
2. Roma
3. Black Panther

2017:
1. Get Out
2. Call Me By Your Name
3. Lady Bird

2016:
1. Moonlight
2. La La Land
3. Arrival

2015:
1. Mad Max: Fury Road
2. Inside Out
3. The Revenant

2014:
1. Boyhood
2. Birdman or (The Unexpected Virtue of Ignorance)
3. The Grand Budapest Hotel
4. Whiplash
5. Interstellar
6. Gone Girl
7. Guardians of the Galaxy

2013:
1. Gravity
2. 12 Year a Slave
3. The Wolf of Wall Street
4. Her

2012:
1. The Avengers
2. Amour
3. Django Unchained
4. Skyfall

2011:
1. A Separation
2. The Tree of Life
3. Drive

2010:
1. Inception
2. The Social Network
3. Toy Story 3
4. Black Swan
5. The King's Speech

Here's how yearly lists stand if we go with the changes.

2019
1. Parasite - Bong Joon-Ho
2. Joker - Todd Phillips
3. Avengers: Endgame - Anthony & Joe Russo
4. The Irishman - Martin Scorsese
5. Once Upon a Time in... Hollywood - Quentin Tarantino

2018
1. Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse - Bob Persichetti, Peter Ramsey & Rodney Rothman
2. Roma - Alfonso Cuarón
3. Black Panther - Ryan Coogler

2017
1. Get Out - Jordan Peele 
2. Call Me by Your Name - Luca Guadagnino
3. Lady Bird - Greta Gerwig

2016
1. Moonlight - Barry Jenkins
2. La La Land - Damien Chazelle 
3. Arrival - Denis Villeneuve

2015
1. Mad Max: Fury Road - George Miller
2. Inside Out - Pete Docter & Ronnie del Carmen
3. The Revenant - Alejandro González Iñárritu

2014
1. Boyhood - Richard Linklater
2. Birdman or (The Unexpected Virtus of Ignorance) - Alejandro González Iñárritu
3. The Grand Budapest Hotel - Wes Anderson
4. Whiplash - Damien Chazelle 
5. Interstellar - Christopher Nolan
6. Gone Girl - David Fincher
7. Guardians of the Galaxy - James Gunn

2013
1. Gravity - Alfonso Cuarón 
2. 12 Years a Slave - Steve McQueen
3. The Wolf of Wall Street - Martin Scorsese
4. Her - Spike Jonze

2012
1. The Avengers - Joss Whedon
2. Amour - Michael Haneke
3. Django Unchained - Quentin Tarantino
4. Skyfall - Sam Mendes

2011
1. A Separation - Asghar Farhadi
2. The Tree of Life - Terrence Malick
3. Drive - Nicolas Winding Refn

2010
1. Inception - Christopher Nolan
2. The Social Network - David Fincher
3. Toy Story 3 - Lee Unkrich
4. Black Swan - Darren Aronofsky
5. The King's Speech - Tom Hooper

Dubrow555 wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 7:17 am

Fido wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:35 am A movie vs crowd-pleasing franchise slop

Initial critical acclaim: the movie
Lasting critical acclaim: the movie
Audience acclaim: the slop
Initial popularity: the slop easily
Lasting popularity: the slop easily

Slop wins. Bonus points if it started a franchise of more slop.

I don't think we need to dogpile on MP or anything - he makes a lot of good points and knows the criteria well.

Concur.

Suggestions for the next 20 slots (won't be doing colors as the list has changed so much already):

41. Portrait of a Lady on Fire
42. The Favourite
43. Frozen
44. Shoplifters
45. Dunkirk
46. The Shape of Water
47. Spotlight
48. Manchester by the Sea
49. Carol
50. Marriage Story
51. 1917
52. Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri
53. A Star is Born
54. Blue Is the Warmest Colour
55. Argo
56. Silver Linings Playbook
57. Blade Runner 2049
58. Hugo
59. The Artist
60. How to Train Your Dragon


yearly list changes:
2019: Marriage Story above 1917?
2018: The Favourite moves above Shoplifters'
2017: Dunkirk moves up, Three Billboards moves down
2013: Frozen moves up
2010: HTTYD moves up

Why Marriage Story over 1917?