500 Greatest Movies of All Time (Revision Version)

[Fido]

Well, Oppenheimer's popularity win is pretty big and it also excels in industry acclaim just like Birdman. I'd agree with Man that Birdman's influence isn't that big in a grand scheme of things even if it has more than Oppenheimer.

It's pretty big also because it was involved in the best marketing campaign I can remember (Barbenheimer), and even then it was the least popular of the two films involved. So it wins one criterion, and its critical stature, as Man already said, doesn't seem to be going up. Not to be completely dismissive of it, but now that Birdman is also being discussed, I don't understand how one is being promoted so heavily while the other gets screwed. Especially while Nolan already has three films on the list.

[pauldrach]

Weird how all the times I've used the criteria and they are considered "nitpicks" - but when MP uses it, it's considered Gospel.

I was only referring to this one particular case. Back when we did the initial revision of the all-time films, I argued against MP quite a few times, especially when judging more recent films. But in the end, the criteria should be decisive and MP simply happens to mostly apply them in such a thorough way that is usually hard to argue against.

[ManPerson]

Well, Oppenheimer's popularity win is pretty big and it also excels in industry acclaim just like Birdman. I'd agree with Man that Birdman's influence isn't that big in a grand scheme of things even if it has more than Oppenheimer.

It's pretty big also because it was involved in the best marketing campaign I can remember (Barbenheimer), and even then it was the least popular of the two films involved. So it wins one criterion, and its critical stature, as Man already said, doesn't seem to be going up. Not to be completely dismissive of it, but now that Birdman is also being discussed, I don't understand how one is being promoted so heavily while the other gets screwed. Especially while Nolan already has three films on the list.

I still think Oppenheimer's win in popularity is bigger than Birdman's wins in acclaim and influence. For whatever it's worth, looking at it a bit more, I think Oppenheimer fairly clearly takes acclaim and popularity over Dune.