digitaldreamdoor.com forum

Fido wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:35 am A movie vs crowd-pleasing franchise slop

Initial critical acclaim: the movie
Lasting critical acclaim: the movie
Audience acclaim: the slop
Initial popularity: the slop easily
Lasting popularity: the slop easily

Slop wins. Bonus points if it started a franchise of more slop.

I don't think we need to dogpile on MP or anything - he makes a lot of good points and knows the criteria well.

The rough changes so far:

2019:
1. Parasite
2. Joker
3. Avengers: Endgame
4. The Irishman
5. Once Upon a Time in... Hollywood

2018:
1. Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse
2. Roma
3. Black Panther

2017:
1. Get Out
2. Call Me By Your Name
3. Lady Bird

2016:
1. Moonlight
2. La La Land
3. Arrival

2015:
1. Mad Max: Fury Road
2. Inside Out
3. The Revenant

2014:
1. Boyhood
2. Birdman or (The Unexpected Virtue of Ignorance)
3. The Grand Budapest Hotel
4. Whiplash
5. Interstellar
6. Gone Girl
7. Guardians of the Galaxy

2013:
1. Gravity
2. 12 Year a Slave
3. The Wolf of Wall Street
4. Her

2012:
1. The Avengers
2. Amour
3. Django Unchained
4. Skyfall

2011:
1. A Separation
2. The Tree of Life
3. Drive

2010:
1. Inception
2. The Social Network
3. Toy Story 3
4. Black Swan
5. The King's Speech

Here's how yearly lists stand if we go with the changes.

2019
1. Parasite - Bong Joon-Ho
2. Joker - Todd Phillips
3. Avengers: Endgame - Anthony & Joe Russo
4. The Irishman - Martin Scorsese
5. Once Upon a Time in... Hollywood - Quentin Tarantino

2018
1. Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse - Bob Persichetti, Peter Ramsey & Rodney Rothman
2. Roma - Alfonso Cuarón
3. Black Panther - Ryan Coogler

2017
1. Get Out - Jordan Peele 
2. Call Me by Your Name - Luca Guadagnino
3. Lady Bird - Greta Gerwig

2016
1. Moonlight - Barry Jenkins
2. La La Land - Damien Chazelle 
3. Arrival - Denis Villeneuve

2015
1. Mad Max: Fury Road - George Miller
2. Inside Out - Pete Docter & Ronnie del Carmen
3. The Revenant - Alejandro González Iñárritu

2014
1. Boyhood - Richard Linklater
2. Birdman or (The Unexpected Virtus of Ignorance) - Alejandro González Iñárritu
3. The Grand Budapest Hotel - Wes Anderson
4. Whiplash - Damien Chazelle 
5. Interstellar - Christopher Nolan
6. Gone Girl - David Fincher
7. Guardians of the Galaxy - James Gunn

2013
1. Gravity - Alfonso Cuarón 
2. 12 Years a Slave - Steve McQueen
3. The Wolf of Wall Street - Martin Scorsese
4. Her - Spike Jonze

2012
1. The Avengers - Joss Whedon
2. Amour - Michael Haneke
3. Django Unchained - Quentin Tarantino
4. Skyfall - Sam Mendes

2011
1. A Separation - Asghar Farhadi
2. The Tree of Life - Terrence Malick
3. Drive - Nicolas Winding Refn

2010
1. Inception - Christopher Nolan
2. The Social Network - David Fincher
3. Toy Story 3 - Lee Unkrich
4. Black Swan - Darren Aronofsky
5. The King's Speech - Tom Hooper

Dubrow555 wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 7:17 am

Fido wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:35 am A movie vs crowd-pleasing franchise slop

Initial critical acclaim: the movie
Lasting critical acclaim: the movie
Audience acclaim: the slop
Initial popularity: the slop easily
Lasting popularity: the slop easily

Slop wins. Bonus points if it started a franchise of more slop.

I don't think we need to dogpile on MP or anything - he makes a lot of good points and knows the criteria well.

Concur.

Suggestions for the next 20 slots (won't be doing colors as the list has changed so much already):

41. Portrait of a Lady on Fire
42. The Favourite
43. Frozen
44. Shoplifters
45. Dunkirk
46. The Shape of Water
47. Spotlight
48. Manchester by the Sea
49. Carol
50. Marriage Story
51. 1917
52. Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri
53. A Star is Born
54. Blue Is the Warmest Colour
55. Argo
56. Silver Linings Playbook
57. Blade Runner 2049
58. Hugo
59. The Artist
60. How to Train Your Dragon


yearly list changes:
2019: Marriage Story above 1917?
2018: The Favourite moves above Shoplifters'
2017: Dunkirk moves up, Three Billboards moves down
2013: Frozen moves up
2010: HTTYD moves up

Why Marriage Story over 1917?

Good point - let's switch them back

So 1917 > MS

I've also realized I've unintentionally moved back BR2024 about 5 slots, so wondering if you all think that should move up on my draft.

Don't think Blade Runner's placement is a problem.

Given Your Name's box office success and strong acclaim I'd think it should make an appearance in this range.

Very interesting...I have a feeling MP will agree with you. That's quite a significant jump up - do we want it ahead of HTTYD and Zootopia?

Dubrow555 wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 8:44 am Very interesting...I have a feeling MP will agree with you. That's quite a significant jump up - do we want it ahead of HTTYD and Zootopia?

I think so. Huge audience acclaim and one of the most successful anime films of all time.

Okay you guys convinced me (made a few tweeks, moved up BR2024 slightly):

41. Portrait of a Lady on Fire
42. The Favourite
43. Frozen
44. Shoplifters
45. Dunkirk
46. The Shape of Water
47. Spotlight
48. Manchester by the Sea
49. Carol
50. Marriage Story
51. 1917
52. Your Name.
53. Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri
54. A Star is Born
55. Blue Is the Warmest Colour
56. Blade Runner 2049
57. Argo
58. Silver Linings Playbook
59. Hugo
60. How to Train Your Dragon

(Took off - The Artist)

I'd move 1917 over Manchester by the Sea/Carol/Marriage Story group as I think it wins popularity over any of them by more than it loses acclaim.

I'd be fine with that.

The Favourite seems to fit pretty well into the Manchester by the Sea/Carol/Marriage Story group so I'd move it down into that range

Some films I'd have in the 41-60 group are:
Avengers: Infinity War - Huge popularity and audience acclaim. Similar to Avengers: Endgame with a bit less initial popularity and critical acclaim
Deadpool - Strong popularity and audience acclaim, breakthrough for Ryan Reynolds and it even got a golden globe nomination for best comedy or musical
Coco - Similar acclaim to something like Blade Runner 2049 and stronger popularity
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2 - Huge popularity and audience acclaim with very strong critic ratings as well (85 on Metacritic, 96 on RT)
Incendies - Strong critical acclaim, great audience ratings across the board, decent lasting popularity and Denis' breakthrough as well.