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Re: 300 Greatest Movie Actors (Revision Version)
Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2026 4:44 pm
by ManPerson
Bruno wrote: Sun Feb 08, 2026 2:16 pm
Great job!
Philip Seymour Hoffman greater than Robin Williams?
I think
Acclaim: PSH
Influence: Williams
Body of Work: PSH
Popularity: Williams
Re: 300 Greatest Movie Actors (Revision Version)
Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2026 4:48 pm
by Tim
Bruno wrote: Sun Feb 08, 2026 2:16 pm
Great job!
Philip Seymour Hoffman greater than Robin Williams?
I was thinking PSH wins acclaim and body of work, Williams popularity and influence. Close I guess.
Re: 300 Greatest Movie Actors (Revision Version)
Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2026 4:49 pm
by Tim
ManPerson wrote: Sun Feb 08, 2026 4:36 pm
I think Leslie Nielsen could be in the top 400, since he has a couple very acclaimed
and culturally impactful performances.
Good call, suggestion for a spot?
Re: 300 Greatest Movie Actors (Revision Version)
Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2026 5:10 pm
by ManPerson
Next to Kevin Costner, maybe?
Re: 300 Greatest Movie Actors (Revision Version)
Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2026 5:18 pm
by Tim
Do we think Divine could be on the ranked list? If we are to compare him with, say, Andy Serkis:
Acclaim: Serkis
Influence: Divine
Body of Work: Serkis
Popularity: Divine
Re: 300 Greatest Movie Actors (Revision Version)
Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2026 6:33 pm
by ManPerson
I could definitely see Divine on the list but I find him winning popularity over Serkis to be rather dubious
Re: 300 Greatest Movie Actors (Revision Version)
Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2026 6:37 pm
by Tim
Bruno wrote: Sun Feb 08, 2026 2:50 pm
I'd like to know what you find most striking or weird when you see these stats.
A bit surprised Robin Williams made so many appearances tbh.
Re: 300 Greatest Movie Actors (Revision Version)
Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2026 6:46 pm
by Tim
ManPerson wrote: Sun Feb 08, 2026 6:33 pm
I could definitely see Divine on the list but I find him winning popularity over Serkis to be rather dubious
Checked google trends and you are likely right. I guess my thinking was that Andy Serkis himself is much less known than the characters he played even though he gained more fame with time.
Re: 300 Greatest Movie Actors (Revision Version)
Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2026 1:18 am
by Tim
I know we are a bit past wikipedia type arguments but upon reading this, wonder if Oldman is deserving of a more generous placement than #69, this touches upon basically all the criteria we use.
wiki wrote:Oldman has established a cult following among film fans. He is known for playing the primary antagonist in a number of popular motion pictures, which has seen him referenced in popular culture. At the peak of his popularity in the 1990s, Oldman was dubbed by Empire magazine Hollywood's "psycho deluxe", and was spoofed on popular television shows such as the Fox comedy series In Living Color and MTV's Celebrity Deathmatch, as well as drafted in to appear on the first ever cover of Loaded magazine. In 1993 he appeared in the music video for Annie Lennox's international hit "Love Song for a Vampire", written for the soundtrack to Bram Stoker's Dracula, and had a cameo role as the Devil in the video for Guns N' Roses single "Since I Don't Have You"—Oldman also played the Devil in the 2002 BMW short Beat The Devil, alongside Clive Owen, James Brown and Marilyn Manson. He starred as a sleazy priest in the controversial religious-themed video for David Bowie's 2013 single "The Next Day". In contrast to his often dark on-screen roles, Oldman's affable real-life demeanour has been noted, and he was named as one of Empire's "100 Sexiest Stars in Film History" in 2007. In 2011 readers of Empire voted him the recipient of the Empire Icon Award, which was presented by Colin Firth.
Washington Post and Independent writers noted that Oldman is regarded as one of the greatest actors of his generation. In 2012 The Globe and Mail journalist Lynn Crosbie wrote, "Critics never fail to single Oldman out... he is one of a few truly great living actors—arguably, even, the best". Of his diversity, Yahoo! Movies noted that he had "gained a well-earned reputation as a brilliant chameleon"; the Houston Chronicle dubbed Oldman "the face of versatility". He is noted for his avoidance of the Hollywood celebrity scene, often being referred to as an "actor's actor". His work has been acclaimed by Hollywood figures: Tom Hardy has described Oldman as his "absolute complete and utter hero" and "hands down, the greatest actor that's ever lived"; Brad Pitt, Daniel Radcliffe and Ryan Gosling have also cited Oldman as their favourite actor. Hardy recalled Oldman's influence on students at drama school, stating that "everybody used to quote him in all of his films". Jessica Chastain, Jennifer Lawrence, Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Tom Hiddleston and Chris Pine have also named Oldman as one of their favourite actors.
Christian Bale, Hugh Jackman, Benedict Cumberbatch, Shia LaBeouf, Ben Mendelsohn, Johnny Depp, Jason Isaacs and Michael Fassbender have cited Oldman as an influence; Bale called him "the reason I'm acting". Anthony Hopkins, Ralph Fiennes,Keanu Reeves and Ray Winstone have used the term "genius" in reference to Oldman. John Hurt called him "the best of the bunch"; Colin Firth hailed him as "a very strong candidate for the world's best living actor" and a "hero" of his; and Alec Baldwin described him as "preternaturally gifted" and "the greatest film actor of his generation". Kristin Scott Thomas referred to Oldman as "the most amazing, generous actor". Christopher Eccleston hailed Oldman's Academy Award win for Darkest Hour as "massive" to people from working-class backgrounds. He remarked, "Oldman is as fine an actor as Daniel Day-Lewis, but Gary is not double-barrelled." The directors Luc Besson, Tony Scott and Christopher Nolan, with whom Oldman has worked, have lauded his work; Besson in 1997 called him "one of the top five actors in the world", while Scott labelled him a "genius". David Cronenberg said that Oldman "really is a fabulous actor" who gave "the best version" of Jim Gordon (in Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy).
Film critics have also been vocal in their appreciation of Oldman. Roger Ebert hailed him as "one of the great actors, able to play high, low, crass, noble"; while Gene Siskel called him "wonderful" and one of his favourite actors. Peter Travers described Oldman as "one of the best actors on the planet". Prior to his first Academy Award nomination for Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy, Oldman was regarded as one of the greatest actors never nominated for the award; In 2009 Leigh Singer of The Guardian called him "arguably the best actor never Oscar-nominated." Before winning for Darkest Hour, he also carried the label of the greatest actor never to win an Oscar. In 2018 Stuart McGurk of GQ described Oldman as "the master of being brilliant in bad movies".
In 1998 Oldman was honoured at the Camerimage Film Festival, where he was awarded the Krzysztof Kieślowski Award for Acting, the first recipient of the award. In 2011 Oldman received a Tribute Award from the Gotham Awards. In that same year, the Palm Springs International Film Festival announced that Oldman would be receiving its International Star Award, which honours "an actor or actress who has achieved both critical and commercial international recognition throughout their body of work". The PSIFF chairman called Oldman "a performer whose ability to portray the most extreme of characters is a testament to the enormity of his talent". In 2012 The Hollywood Reporter named Oldman the highest-grossing actor in history, based on lead and supporting roles. Films in which he has appeared have grossed over $4.1 billion in the United States, and over $11 billion worldwide.
In 2012 Oldman was among the British cultural icons selected by the artist Sir Peter Blake to appear in a new version of his most famous artwork—the Beatles' Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band album cover—to celebrate the British cultural figures of his life that he most admires to mark his 80th birthday. In 2014 he received the Dilys Powell Award For Excellence in Film by the London Film Critics.
In 2018 Oldman received the Variety Award at the British Independent Film Awards, which recognises a director, actor, writer or producer who has made a global impact and helped to focus the international spotlight on the UK Variety's vice-president, Steven Gaydos, remarked that Oldman "has blazed a path as one of international cinema's most versatile and valued actors." In the same year, the Santa Barbara International Film Festival awarded Oldman the Maltin Modern Master Award, the highest accolade awarded by SPIFF that honours an individual who has enriched our culture through accomplishments in the motion picture industry. Leonard Maltin claimed Oldman has "once again proven that he is a force to be reckoned with, and a true master of his craft". Oldman was also awarded his first Career Achievement Award by the Hollywood Film Awards. The Make-up Artists and Hair Stylists Guild Awards as well honoured him with the Distinguished Artisan Award, which IATSE President Susan Cabral-Ebert proclaimed him as "a chameleon, an actor who changes his appearance, his voice, everything about himself from film to film".
On the first glance, Oldman and George C. Scott appear to be comparable even though such a jump would require Oldman being ahead of huge stars such as Redford, Cruise, Ford, Kelly, Astaire, as well as the likes of Kinski, Piccoli, Laughton, Penn, PSH. Clift and Dean as well.
Re: 300 Greatest Movie Actors (Revision Version)
Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2026 7:16 am
by ManPerson
You do make a pretty strong case. I guess when compared with Dean it would be
Acclaim: Oldman close
Influence: Dean
Popularity: Dean
BoW: Oldman easy
And with Clift
Acclaim: Oldman Close
Influence: Clift
Popularity: Close
BoW: Oldman
Since both of their wins in influence are pretty clear I'd probably have Oldman between Dean and Piccoli.
Re: 300 Greatest Movie Actors (Revision Version)
Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2026 5:01 pm
by Tim
For curiosity's sake, all the Academy Best Actor winners not on the ranked list, in chronological order:
Warner Baxter (1928)
Cliff Robertson (1968)
Art Carney (1974)
F. Murray Abraham (1984)
Jamie Foxx (2004)
Jean Dujardin (2011)
Eddie Redmayne (2014)
Casey Affleck (2016)
Rami Malek (2018)
Brendan Fraser (2022)
Cillian Murphy (2023)
Re: 300 Greatest Movie Actors (Revision Version)
Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2026 5:12 pm
by Tim
All the Academy Best Supporting Actor winners not on the ranked list, in chronological order:
Joseph Schildkraut (1937)
Van Heflin (1942)
James Dunn (1945)
Harold Russell (1946)
Edmund Gwenn (1947)
Dean Jagger (1949)
Edmond O'Brien (1954)
Red Buttons (1957)
Burl Ives (1958)
Hugh Griffith (1959)
George Chakiris (1961)
Ed Begley (1962)
George Kennedy (1967)
Jack Albertson (1968)
Gig Young (1969)
John Mills (1970)
Ben Johnson (1971)
Joel Grey (1972)
John Houseman (1973)
George Burns (1975)
Timothy Hutton (1980)
Louis Gossett Jr. (1982)
Haing S. Ngor (1984)
Don Ameche (1985)
Cuba Gooding Jr. (1997)
Jared Leto (2013)
J. K. Simmons (2014)
Mark Rylance (2015)
Sam Rockwell (2017)
Daniel Kaluuya (2021)
Troy Kotsur (2021)
Ke Huy Quan (2022)
Kieran Culkin (2024)
Re: 300 Greatest Movie Actors (Revision Version)
Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2026 7:21 pm
by ManPerson
I think Warner Baxter should get a lot of credit for In Old Arizona's influence, so maybe he should be on the list.
I'd probably have Daniel Kaluuya and J.K. Simmons somewhere on there as well.
Edit: Al Jolson too
Re: 300 Greatest Movie Actors (Revision Version)
Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2026 7:31 pm
by ManPerson
Also, even though voice acting is kind of a different ballpark, it seems wrong for Mel Blanc to not be ranked.
Re: 300 Greatest Movie Actors (Revision Version)
Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2026 8:00 pm
by Tim
ManPerson wrote: Tue Feb 10, 2026 7:21 pm
I think Warner Baxter should get a lot of credit for In Old Arizona's influence, so maybe he should be on the list.
I'd probably have Daniel Kaluuya and J.K. Simmons somewhere on there as well.
Edit: Al Jolson too
Sure, what ballpark you have in mind for these suggestions?
Re: 300 Greatest Movie Actors (Revision Version)
Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2026 8:02 pm
by Tim
ManPerson wrote: Tue Feb 10, 2026 7:31 pm
Also, even though voice acting is kind of a different ballpark, it seems wrong for Mel Blanc to not be ranked.
Well, we did include Serkis and, I am certain, credited the likes of Robin Williams, James Earl Jones and Eddie Murphy for their voice acting so only fair to find a spot for Blanc as well.