Greatest Rock Artists Of All Time (Revision Version)

[ManPerson]

Still probably not at Genesis' level but he clearly has distinct influence apart from the band.

In terms of S&G, they have a pretty big advantage against Spears in acclaim and aren't far behind in popularity while they seem to take popularity clearly against Outkast, who clearly take influence while acclaim is close. I could see them ahead of Spears but I'd prefer to keep Outkast ahead since we're giving more weight to influence.

[Tim]

I'd say this could be argued as Phil's biggest influence even though he hardly innovated it on his own either.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gated_reverb

[Tim]

Did we lowball Costello a bit by putting so many new additions ahead of him? Key influence on New Wave as well as very acclaimed. Compared with CSNY, I'd say

Influence: Costello
Popularity: CSNY clearly
Acclaim: Costello

[ManPerson]

I guess he shouldn't be too far from Nas either.

[Fido]

I'll say, seeing Dr. Dre above P-Funk doesn't seem justified, considering they are a key influence on mostly everything he did (and then some) while also being more acclaimed. Perhaps he is being overrated for his work for other artists and with N.W.A.?

[ManPerson]

The Chronic was a game changer in production for 90s hip hop, though it's true that P-Funk was, in turn, a huge influence on it as well.

[ManPerson]

Maybe...

69. The Velvet Underground
70. The Notorious B.I.G.
71. Joni Mitchell
72. Outkast
73. Parliament/Funkadelic/George Clinton
74. Dr. Dre
75. Simon & Garfunkel
76. Britney Spears
77. Creedence Clearwater Revival

[Tim]

You plan on submitting your top 225, Man?

[ManPerson]

It might take me a little bit.

[Tim]

Afrika Bambaataa died.

[Fido]

Maybe...

69. The Velvet Underground
70. The Notorious B.I.G.
71. Joni Mitchell
72. Outkast
73. Parliament/Funkadelic/George Clinton
74. Dr. Dre
75. Simon & Garfunkel
76. Britney Spears
77. Creedence Clearwater Revival

I like that, though I'd say S&G only lose influence against Dre and P-Funk

[ManPerson]

Dre and P-Funk both take influence pretty clearly, though, both do really well in acclaim in their own right, and Dre has plenty of popularity as well.

[ManPerson]

Including the move for P-Funk and Elvis Costello
1. The Beatles
2. Elvis Presley
3. James Brown
4. Bob Dylan
5. Michael Jackson
6. Madonna
7. Chuck Berry
8. The Rolling Stones
9. Stevie Wonder
10. Aretha Franklin
11. Ray Charles
12. The Beach Boys
13. Led Zeppelin
14. Jimi Hendrix
15. Fats Domino
16. Prince
17. Marvin Gaye
18. Kanye West
19. Little Richard
20. Jay-Z
21. The Who
22. Sam Cooke
23. Pink Floyd
24. David Bowie
25. Eminem
26. U2
27. Run-D.M.C.
28. Nirvana
29. Beyoncé
30. 2pac
31. The Supremes
32. Bruce Springsteen
33. Queen
34. Bob Marley & the Wailers
35. Buddy Holly & The Crickets
36. The Temptations
37. Neil Young
38. Kendrick Lamar
39. R.E.M.
40. Taylor Swift
41. Drake
42. Elton John
43. Whitney Houston
44. The Everly Brothers
45. Janet Jackson
46. Mariah Carey
47. Black Sabbath
48. Public Enemy
49. Otis Redding
50. The Byrds
51. Sly & the Family Stone
52. Metallica
53. Bill Haley & His Comets
54. Donna Summer
55. Smokey Robinson & The Miracles
56. The Bee Gees
57. The Kinks
58. ABBA
59. Bo Diddley
60. The Beastie Boys
61. Roy Orbison
62. The Clash
63. The Doors
64. Kraftwerk
65. Curtis Mayfield & The Impressions
66. AC/DC
67. Fleetwood Mac
68. Rihanna
69. The Velvet Underground
70. The Notorious B.I.G.
71. Joni Mitchell
72. Outkast
73. Parliament/Funkadelic/George Clinton
74. Dr. Dre
75. Simon & Garfunkel
76. Britney Spears
77. Creedence Clearwater Revival
78. Radiohead
79. N.W.A.
80. Lady Gaga
81. Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five
82. LL Cool J
83. Aerosmith
84. Eagles
85. Guns N' Roses
86. The Police
87. Van Halen
88. Eric B. & Rakim
89. Coldplay
90. Al Green
91. The Ramones
92. Green Day
93. The Drifters
94. Adele
95. The Weeknd
96. Depeche Mode
97. Rod Stewart
98. Paul McCartney/Wings
99. Pearl Jam
100. The Grateful Dead
101. George Michael/Wham!
102. The Jackson 5/The Jacksons
103. Mary J. Blige
104. Missy Elliott
105. Earth, Wind, & Fire
106. Jerry Lee Lewis
107. Roy Brown
108. Wynonie Harris
109. The Platters
110. The Shirelles
111. Jackie Wilson
112. Van Morrison
113. Cream
114. Fugees/Lauryn Hill
115. Joy Division/New Order
116. Red Hot Chili Peppers
117. Eric Clapton
118. John Lennon
119. Deep Purple
120. Santana
121. The Isley Brothers
122. The Dominoes
123. The Orioles
124. The Four Tops
125. The Smiths
126. Blondie
127. The Clovers
128. Ruth Brown
129. The Band
130. Bad Bunny
131. The Sex Pistols
132. Iron Maiden
133. Billy Joel
134. Frankie Valli & The Four Seasons
135. Justin Timberlake
136. Chic
137. Oasis
138. TLC
139. Talking Heads
140. Lana Del Rey
141. Daft Punk
142. Big Joe Turner
143. Johnny Otis
144. Eddie Cochran
145. Iggy Pop & the Stooges
146. Kate Bush
147. Roxy Music
148. Genesis
149. Rush
150. Etta James
151. Martha & the Vandellas
152. Frank Zappa
153. Patti Smith
154. Phil Collins
155. Daryl Hall & John Oates
156. Chicago
157. Paul Simon
158. Pixies
159. A Tribe Called Quest
160. Booker T. & the MG’s
161. Cher
162. The Righteous Brothers
163. Diana Ross
164. Dionne Warwick
165. R. Kelly
166. Kool & the Gang
167. Wilson Pickett
168. Crosby, Stills, Nash (& Young)
169. Janis Joplin/Big Brother and the Holding Company
170. Nas
171. Sam & Dave
172. Elvis Costello
173. Afrika Bambaataa
174. Frankie Lymon & the Teenagers
175. The Yardbirds
176. KISS
177. Bon Jovi
178. Alice Cooper
179. Carole King
180. Rick Nelson
181. Jefferson Airplane
182. Yes
183. Journey
184. James Taylor
185. Carl Perkins
186. The "5" Royales
187. Def Leppard
188. Dion (& the Belmonts)
189. Gladys Knight & the Pips
190. The Mamas & the Papas
191. Johnny Ace
192. The Coasters
193. The Allman Brothers Band
194. Del Shannon
195. The White Stripes
196. King Crimson
197. The Cars
198. The O’Jays
199. Lynyrd Skynyrd
200. Salt-N-Pepa
201. Solomon Burke
202. Tom Petty
203. Bob Seger (& The Silver Bullet Band)
204. Hank Ballard & the Midnighters
205. Little Willie John
206. The Ventures
207. The Flamingos
208. The Animals
209. The Pretenders
210. Screamin’ Jay Hawkins
211. LaVern Baker
212. Bobby "Blue" Bland
213. Chuck Willis
214. War
215. The Moody Blues
216. Jethro Tull
217. John Mellencamp
218. Jackson Browne
219. Jan and Dean
220. Shirley and Lee
221. Ivory Joe Hunter
222. Boogie Down Productions
223. Emerson, Lake, & Palmer
224. Bonnie Raitt
225. The Dells

[ManPerson]

I think Pixies are very comparable to Tribe in all the criteria, while being more acclaimed and influential than many of the artists I have below them.

I also see Dionne Warwick as very comparable with Diana Ross, though I guess she could lose some points for being somewhat borderline as a rock artist.

[ManPerson]

Compromise
1. The Beatles
2. Elvis Presley
3. James Brown
4. Bob Dylan
5. Michael Jackson
6. Madonna
7. Chuck Berry
8. The Rolling Stones
9. Stevie Wonder
10. Aretha Franklin
11. Ray Charles
12. The Beach Boys
13. Led Zeppelin
14. Jimi Hendrix
15. Fats Domino
16. Prince
17. Marvin Gaye
18. Kanye West
19. Little Richard
20. Jay-Z
21. The Who
22. Sam Cooke
23. Pink Floyd
24. David Bowie
25. Eminem
26. U2
27. Run-D.M.C.
28. Nirvana
29. Beyoncé
30. 2pac
31. The Supremes
32. Bruce Springsteen
33. Queen
34. Bob Marley & the Wailers
35. Buddy Holly & The Crickets
36. The Temptations
37. Neil Young
38. Kendrick Lamar
39. R.E.M.
40. Taylor Swift
41. Drake
42. Elton John
43. Whitney Houston
44. The Everly Brothers
45. Janet Jackson
46. Mariah Carey
47. Black Sabbath
48. Public Enemy
49. Otis Redding
50. The Byrds
51. Sly & the Family Stone
52. Metallica
53. Bill Haley & His Comets
54. Donna Summer
55. Smokey Robinson & The Miracles
56. The Bee Gees
57. The Kinks
58. ABBA
59. Bo Diddley
60. The Beastie Boys
61. Roy Orbison
62. The Clash
63. The Doors
64. Kraftwerk
65. Curtis Mayfield & The Impressions
66. AC/DC
67. Fleetwood Mac
68. Rihanna
69. The Velvet Underground
70. The Notorious B.I.G.
71. Joni Mitchell
72. Outkast
73. Parliament/Funkadelic/George Clinton
74. Dr. Dre
75. Simon & Garfunkel
76. Britney Spears
77. Creedence Clearwater Revival
78. Radiohead
79. N.W.A.
80. Lady Gaga
81. Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five
82. LL Cool J
83. Aerosmith
84. Eagles
85. Guns N' Roses
86. The Police
87. Van Halen
88. Eric B. & Rakim
89. Coldplay
90. Al Green
91. The Ramones
92. Green Day
93. The Drifters
94. Adele
95. The Weeknd
96. Depeche Mode
97. Rod Stewart
98. Paul McCartney/Wings
99. Pearl Jam
100. The Grateful Dead
101. George Michael/Wham!
102. The Jackson 5/The Jacksons
103. Mary J. Blige
104. Missy Elliott
105. Earth, Wind, & Fire
106. Jerry Lee Lewis
107. Roy Brown
108. Wynonie Harris
109. The Platters
110. The Shirelles
111. Jackie Wilson
112. Van Morrison
113. Cream
114. Fugees/Lauryn Hill
115. Joy Division/New Order
116. Red Hot Chili Peppers
117. Eric Clapton
118. John Lennon
119. Deep Purple
120. Santana
121. The Isley Brothers
122. The Dominoes
123. The Orioles
124. The Four Tops
125. The Smiths
126. Blondie
127. The Clovers
128. Ruth Brown
129. The Band
130. Bad Bunny
131. The Sex Pistols
132. Iron Maiden
133. Billy Joel
134. Frankie Valli & The Four Seasons
135. Justin Timberlake
136. Oasis
137. TLC
138. Talking Heads
139. Lana Del Rey
140. Daft Punk
141. Big Joe Turner
142. Johnny Otis
143. Eddie Cochran
144. Iggy Pop & the Stooges
145. Kate Bush
146. Roxy Music
147. Chic
148. Genesis
149. Rush
150. Etta James
151. Martha & the Vandellas
152. Frank Zappa
153. Patti Smith
154. Phil Collins
155. Daryl Hall & John Oates
156. Chicago
157. A Tribe Called Quest
158. Pixies
159. Booker T. & the MG’s
160. Cher
161. Diana Ross
162. R. Kelly
163. Kool & the Gang
164. Wilson Pickett
165. Crosby, Stills, Nash (& Young)
166. Janis Joplin/Big Brother and the Holding Company
167. Nas
168. Sam & Dave
169. Elvis Costello
170. Paul Simon
171. Afrika Bambaataa
172. Frankie Lymon & the Teenagers
173. The Yardbirds
174. KISS
175. Bon Jovi
176. Alice Cooper
177. Carole King
178. The Righteous Brothers
179. Rick Nelson
180. Jefferson Airplane
181. Yes
182. Journey
183. James Taylor
184. Carl Perkins
185. The "5" Royales
186. Dionne Warwick
187. Def Leppard
188. Dion (& the Belmonts)
189. Gladys Knight & the Pips
190. The Mamas & the Papas
191. Johnny Ace
192. The Coasters
193. The Allman Brothers Band
194. Del Shannon
195. The White Stripes
196. King Crimson
197. The Cars
198. The O’Jays
199. Lynyrd Skynyrd
200. Screamin’ Jay Hawkins
201. Salt-N-Pepa
202. Solomon Burke
203. Tom Petty
204. Bob Seger (& The Silver Bullet Band)
205. Hank Ballard & the Midnighters
206. Little Willie John
207. The Ventures
208. The Flamingos
209. The Animals
210. Jethro Tull
211. The Pretenders
212. John Mellencamp
213. LaVern Baker
214. Bobby "Blue" Bland
215. Chuck Willis
216. War
217. The Moody Blues
218. Jackson Browne
219. Shirley and Lee
220. Jan and Dean
221. Ivory Joe Hunter
222. Boogie Down Productions
223. Emerson, Lake, & Palmer
224. Bonnie Raitt
225. The Dells

[ManPerson]

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