Greatest Rock Artists Of All Time (Revision Version)

[ManPerson]

Do we want to add Them to Van Morrison's listing like they were on Sampson's 1960s artists list?

I'd be fine with that.

[Tim]

Thoughts:

270. Jethro Tull
271. Soundgarden
272. Crystals
273. George Harrison
274. D'Angelo
275. Aaliyah
276. Electric Light Orchestra
277. New York Dolls
278. Arcade Fire
279. The (Young) Rascals
280. T.I.
281. Gene Vincent & the Blue Caps
282. The Marvelettes
283. Joe Tex
284. The Prodigy
285. Johnny Ace
286. Lloyd Price
287. Cher
288. R. Kelly
289. The Lovin' Spoonful 
290. The Spinners
291. Rick James
292. Barry White
293. Weezer
294. Gil Scott-Heron
295. Linda Ronstadt
296. The Shadows
297. Emerson, Lake & Palmer
298. Erykah Badu
299. Gary Numan/Tubeway Army
300. Toots & the Maytals
301. Television
302. Todd Rundgren (& related bands)
303. Slayer
304. Shakira
305. Jeff Beck
306. Jimmy Cliff
307. 50 Cent
308. Link Wray
309. Boston
310. Cheap Trick
311. Harry Nilsson
312. Jesse Belvin/Jesse & Marvin
313. Buffalo Springfield
314. Devo
315. Ed Sheeran
316. Bruno Mars
317. Justin Bieber
318. Journey
319. John Mellencamp
320. ZZ Top
321. Big Jay McNeely
322. The Moonglows
323. Duane Eddy
324. Alice in Chains
325. Gorillaz
326. The Offspring
327. Backstreet Boys
328. Heart
329. Cyndi Lauper
330. M.I.A.
331. Bryan Adams
332. Tina Turner
333. Patti LaBelle/Labelle
334. Nelly
335. Kelly Clarkson
336. Christina Aguilera
337. Steve Miller Band
338. The Dells
339. The Spaniels
340. Faye Adams
341. Judas Priest
342. Cliff Richard
343. Mötley Crüe
344. Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds
345. Korn
346. Cypress Hill
347. PJ Harvey
348. Robyn
349. SZA
350. Kylie Minogue
351. The Stone Roses
352. Big Star
353. P!nk
354. Tyler, the Creator
355. Suede
356. INXS
357. The Doobie Brothers
358. Moby
359. The Verve
360. My Chemical Romance
361. The Chemical Brothers
362. Jan & Dean
363. Boogie Down Productions
364. The B-52's
365. Big Daddy Kane
366. Joe Cocker
367. Ozzy Osbourne
368. Cat Stevens
369. Randy Newman
370. Ritchie Valens
371. Dick Dale & the Del-Tones
372. No Doubt
373. blink-182
374. Scorpions
375. The Black Eyed Peas
376. BTS
377. Meat Loaf
378. Gloria Estefan/Miami Sound Machine
379. Anita Baker
380. Mary Wells
381. Charli XCX
382. Portishead
383. Fiona Apple
384. My Bloody Valentine
385. Jeff Buckley
386. Tame Impala
387. Tori Amos
388. Blue Öyster Cult
389. Wire
390. Cardi B
391. Tracy Chapman
392. The Jam
393. Ice-T/Body Count
394. Shirley & Lee
395. The Dave Clark Five
396. Muse
397. The Hollies
398. The Stylistics
399. Janelle Monáe
400. Giorgio Moroder
401. Can
402. Fugazi
403. Linkin Park
404. Donovan
405. Steppenwolf
406. Doug E. Fresh & the Get Fresh Crew
407. The Specials
408. Pavement
409. The Jesus and Mary Chain
410. (Small) Faces
411. One Direction
412. Sting
413. Queen Latifah
414. Screamin' Jay Hawkins
415. Suicide
416. Dead Kennedys
417. Professor Longhair
418. Lee "Scratch" Perry & the Upsetters
419. Siouxsie and the Banshees
420. The Killers
421. Suzanne Vega
422. Belle and Sebastian
423. Black Flag
424. Gang of Four
425. Gwen Stefani
426. Franz Ferdinand
427. Katy Perry
428. Gloria Gaynor
429. Laura Nyro
430. X
431. Foreigner
432. System of a Down
433. Megadeth
434. Tool
435. Peter Frampton
436. Travis Scott
437. Dua Lipa
438. Carly Simon
439. The Roots
440. Bad Brains
441. Gary U.S. Bonds
442. Busta Rhymes
443. Avril Lavigne
444. Brandy
445. Chappell Roan
446. Boy George/Culture Club
447. LCD Soundsystem
448. Bon Iver
449. Supertramp
450. Gnarls Barkley
451. The Sonics
452. Nelly Furtado
453. The Pointer Sisters
454. *NSYNC
455. DMX
456. The Black Keys
457. Jack Scott
458. Tommy James & the Shondells
459. Ben E. King
460. Pulp
461. Larry Williams
462. The Chi-Lites
463. The Delfonics
464. Huey "Piano" Smith & His Clowns
465. Traffic
466. Sparks
467. Kurtis Blow
468. Primal Scream
469. Nick Drake
470. Junior Walker & the All Stars
471. Lee Dorsey
472. Ricky Martin
473. Sonny & Cher
474. Sam the Sham & the Pharaos
475. Paul Revere & the Raiders
476. Madness
477. Dinosaur Jr.
478. Wilco
479. Kings of Leon
480. Yeah Yeah Yeahs
481. Procol Harum
482. XTC
483. Talk Talk
484. Scott Walker/The Walker Brothers
485. Common
486. Blue Cheer
487. Pantera
488. Blood, Sweat & Tears
489. The Zombies
490. Cameo
491. The Fall
492. Beach House
493. Migos
494. Pusha T/Clipse
495. The Cadillacs
496. Bauhaus
497. Public Image Ltd.
498. Billy Idol/Generation X
499. Queens of the Stone Age
500. Johnny Rivers
501. Warren Zevon
502. Kansas
503. Iron Butterfly
504. Robbie Williams
505. UB40
506. Aphex Twin
507. Run the Jewels
508. Vampire Weekend

[ManPerson]

I'd have Big Daddy Kane next to Giorgio Moroder, I'd say Tame Impala and Jeff Buckley clearly take acclaim and popularity, for instance.

I'd also give BDP acclaim and influence over Cypress Hill so I'd have them lower.

Otherwise this looks good.

[Tim]

Next:

Desmond Dekker & the Aces
Dr. John
En Vogue
EPMD
The Five Keys
Roberta Flack
Foo Fighters
Free
Gang Starr
The Gap Band

[Tim]

1. Foo Fighters
2. En Vogue
3. Roberta Flack
4. Desmond Dekker & the Aces
5. Gang Starr
6. EPMD
7. The Five Keys
8. Dr. John
9. Free
10. The Gap Band

[pauldrach]

BTW, in the first post I changed the entry of "Crystals" to "The Crystals" and the entry of "Sam the Sham & the Pharaos" to "Sam the Sham & the Pharaohs". I think those were the only slight quibbles I had.

[ManPerson]

Next:

Desmond Dekker & the Aces
Dr. John
En Vogue
EPMD
The Five Keys
Roberta Flack
Foo Fighters
Free
Gang Starr
The Gap Band

1. Foo Fighters
2. Desmond Dekker
3. En Vogue
4. Roberta Flack
5. The Five Keys
6. Free
7. Gang Starr
8. EPMD
9. The Gap Band
10. Dr. John

[Tim]

What I drafted for inserting this group so let's discuss:

290. The Spinners
291. Rick James
292. Barry White
293. Weezer
294. Gil Scott-Heron
295. Linda Ronstadt
296. Foo Fighters
297. The Shadows
298. Emerson, Lake & Palmer
299. En Vogue
300. Erykah Badu
301. Gary Numan/Tubeway Army
302. Toots & the Maytals
303. Television
304. Todd Rundgren (& related bands)
305. Slayer
306. Shakira
307. Jeff Beck
308. Jimmy Cliff
309. 50 Cent
310. Link Wray (& the Wraymen)
311. Boston
312. Cheap Trick
313. Harry Nilsson
314. Jesse Belvin/Jesse & Marvin
315. Buffalo Springfield
316. Devo
317. Ed Sheeran
318. Bruno Mars
319. Justin Bieber
320. Journey
321. John Mellencamp
322. ZZ Top
323. Big Jay McNeely
324. The Moonglows
325. Duane Eddy
326. Alice in Chains
327. Gorillaz
328. The Offspring
329. Backstreet Boys
330. Heart
331. Cyndi Lauper
332. Roberta Flack
333. M.I.A.
334. Bryan Adams
335. Tina Turner
336. Patti LaBelle/Labelle
337. Nelly
338. Kelly Clarkson
339. Christina Aguilera
340. Steve Miller Band
341. The Dells
342. The Spaniels
343. Faye Adams
344. Judas Priest
345. Cliff Richard
346. Mötley Crüe
347. Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds
348. Korn
349. PJ Harvey
350. Robyn
351. SZA
352. Kylie Minogue
353. The Stone Roses
354. Big Star
355. P!nk
356. Tyler, the Creator
357. Suede
358. INXS
359. The Doobie Brothers
360. Moby
361. The Verve
362. My Chemical Romance
363. The Chemical Brothers
364. Jan & Dean
365. Boogie Down Productions
366. The B-52's
367. Cypress Hill
368. Joe Cocker
369. Ozzy Osbourne
370. Cat Stevens
371. Randy Newman
372. Ritchie Valens
373. Dick Dale & the Del-Tones
374. No Doubt
375. blink-182
376. Scorpions
377. The Black Eyed Peas
378. BTS
379. Meat Loaf
380. Desmond Dekker & the Aces
381. Gloria Estefan/Miami Sound Machine
382. Anita Baker
383. Mary Wells
384. Charli XCX
385. Portishead
386. Fiona Apple
387. My Bloody Valentine
388. Jeff Buckley
389. Tame Impala
390. Tori Amos
391. Blue Öyster Cult
392. Wire
393. Cardi B
394. Tracy Chapman
395. The Jam
396. Ice-T/Body Count
397. Shirley & Lee
398. The Dave Clark Five
399. Muse
400. The Hollies
401. The Stylistics
402. Janelle Monáe
403. Big Daddy Kane
404. Giorgio Moroder
405. Can
406. Fugazi
407. Linkin Park
408. Donovan
409. Steppenwolf
410. Doug E. Fresh & the Get Fresh Crew
411. The Specials
412. Pavement
413. The Jesus and Mary Chain
414. (Small) Faces
415. One Direction
416. Sting
417. Queen Latifah
418. Screamin' Jay Hawkins
419. Suicide
420. Dead Kennedys
421. Professor Longhair
422. Lee "Scratch" Perry/The Upsetters
423. Siouxsie and the Banshees
424. Gang Starr
425. The Killers
426. Suzanne Vega
427. Belle and Sebastian
428. Black Flag
429. Gang of Four
430. Gwen Stefani
431. Franz Ferdinand
432. Katy Perry
433. Gloria Gaynor
434. EPMD
435. Laura Nyro
436. X
437. Foreigner
438. System of a Down
439. Megadeth
440. Tool
441. Peter Frampton
442. Travis Scott
443. Dua Lipa
444. Carly Simon
445. The Roots
446. Bad Brains
447. Gary U.S. Bonds
448. Busta Rhymes
449. Avril Lavigne
450. Brandy
451. Chappell Roan
452. Boy George/Culture Club
453. LCD Soundsystem
454. Bon Iver
455. Supertramp
456. Gnarls Barkley
457. The Sonics
458. Nelly Furtado
459. The Pointer Sisters
460. *NSYNC
461. DMX
462. The Black Keys
463. Jack Scott
464. Tommy James & the Shondells
465. Ben E. King
466. Pulp
467. Larry Williams
468. The Chi-Lites
469. The Delfonics
470. Huey "Piano" Smith & His Clowns
471. Traffic
472. Sparks
473. Kurtis Blow
474. Primal Scream
475. The Five Keys
476. Nick Drake
477. Junior Walker & the All Stars
478. Lee Dorsey
479. Ricky Martin
480. Sonny & Cher
481. Sam the Sham & the Pharaohs
482. Paul Revere & the Raiders
483. Madness
484. Dinosaur Jr.
485. Dr. John
486. Wilco
487. Kings of Leon
488. Yeah Yeah Yeahs
489. Procol Harum
490. XTC
491. Talk Talk
492. Scott Walker/The Walker Brothers
493. Common
494. Blue Cheer
495. Pantera
496. Blood, Sweat & Tears
497. The Zombies
498. Cameo
499. The Fall
500. Beach House
501. Migos
502. Pusha T/Clipse
503. The Cadillacs
504. Bauhaus
505. Public Image Ltd.
506. Free
507. Billy Idol/Generation X
508. Queens of the Stone Age
509. Johnny Rivers
510. The Gap Band

[ManPerson]

Seems a bit high for En Vogue, I'd say The Offspring are similar in acclaim and popularity while being more influential; I think Cyndi Lauper's more influential and popular, while Steve Miller Band are more acclaimed and popular. I think Suede and BDP are also more acclaimed and popular. I could see them next to Cypress Hill.

I'd have Roberta Flack around there too, I don't think she should be ahead of SZA, The Stone Roses or Big Star, since all three are at least a bit more acclaimed while SZA is more popular and the other two are more influential. I think having her next to INXS and the Doobie Brothers is fair.

I'd probably have Desmond Dekker behind M.I.A., since I think he's more acclaimed and influential than most of the group below that.

I think Free are fairly comparable with Procol Harum, maybe they should be next to each other.

Dr. John seems high, Queens of the Stone Age and Beach House are more acclaimed and popular, for instance.

Not sure Gang Starr have anything on The Roots, I think they're very comparable with Common, so I'd have them somewhere there.

[ManPerson]

I think EPMD are less acclaimed and popular than Black Keys, and Supertramp. I could see them next to The Sonics.

[pauldrach]

I'd say that The Cadillacs win influence by so much more than The Five Keys win popularity and acclaim that they should swap places on the latest list version.

[Tim]

290. The Spinners
291. Rick James
292. Barry White
293. Weezer
294. Gil Scott-Heron
295. Linda Ronstadt
296. Foo Fighters
297. The Shadows
298. Emerson, Lake & Palmer
299. Erykah Badu
300. Gary Numan/Tubeway Army
301. Toots & the Maytals
302. Television
303. Todd Rundgren (& related bands)
304. Slayer
305. Shakira
306. Jeff Beck
307. Jimmy Cliff
308. 50 Cent
309. Link Wray (& the Wraymen)
310. Boston
311. Cheap Trick
312. Harry Nilsson
313. Jesse Belvin/Jesse & Marvin
314. Buffalo Springfield
315. Devo
316. Ed Sheeran
317. Bruno Mars
318. Justin Bieber
319. Journey
320. John Mellencamp
321. ZZ Top
322. Big Jay McNeely
323. The Moonglows
324. Duane Eddy
325. Alice in Chains
326. Gorillaz
327. The Offspring
328. Backstreet Boys
329. Heart
330. Cyndi Lauper
331. M.I.A.
332. Desmond Dekker & the Aces
333. Bryan Adams
334. Tina Turner
335. Patti LaBelle/Labelle
336. Nelly
337. Kelly Clarkson
338. Christina Aguilera
339. Steve Miller Band
340. The Dells
341. The Spaniels
342. Faye Adams
343. Judas Priest
344. Cliff Richard
345. Mötley Crüe
346. Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds
347. Korn
348. PJ Harvey
349. Robyn
350. SZA
351. Kylie Minogue
352. The Stone Roses
353. Big Star
354. P!nk
355. Tyler, the Creator
356. Suede
357. Roberta Flack
358. INXS
359. The Doobie Brothers
360. Moby
361. The Verve
362. My Chemical Romance
363. The Chemical Brothers
364. Jan & Dean
365. Boogie Down Productions
366. The B-52's
367. En Vogue
368. Cypress Hill
369. Joe Cocker
370. Ozzy Osbourne
371. Cat Stevens
372. Randy Newman
373. Ritchie Valens
374. Dick Dale & the Del-Tones
375. No Doubt
376. blink-182
377. Scorpions
378. The Black Eyed Peas
379. BTS
380. Meat Loaf
381. Gloria Estefan/Miami Sound Machine
382. Anita Baker
383. Mary Wells
384. Charli XCX
385. Portishead
386. Fiona Apple
387. My Bloody Valentine
388. Jeff Buckley
389. Tame Impala
390. Tori Amos
391. Blue Öyster Cult
392. Wire
393. Cardi B
394. Tracy Chapman
395. The Jam
396. Ice-T/Body Count
397. Shirley & Lee
398. The Dave Clark Five
399. Muse
400. The Hollies
401. The Stylistics
402. Janelle Monáe
403. Big Daddy Kane
404. Giorgio Moroder
405. Can
406. Fugazi
407. Linkin Park
408. Donovan
409. Steppenwolf
410. Doug E. Fresh & the Get Fresh Crew
411. The Specials
412. Pavement
413. The Jesus and Mary Chain
414. (Small) Faces
415. One Direction
416. Sting
417. Queen Latifah
418. Screamin' Jay Hawkins
419. Suicide
420. Dead Kennedys
421. Professor Longhair
422. Lee "Scratch" Perry/The Upsetters
423. Siouxsie and the Banshees
424. The Killers
425. Suzanne Vega
426. Belle and Sebastian
427. Black Flag
428. Gang of Four
429. Gwen Stefani
430. Franz Ferdinand
431. Katy Perry
432. Gloria Gaynor
433. Laura Nyro
434. X
435. Foreigner
436. System of a Down
437. Megadeth
438. Tool
439. Peter Frampton
440. Travis Scott
441. Dua Lipa
442. Carly Simon
443. The Roots
444. Bad Brains
445. Gary U.S. Bonds
446. Busta Rhymes
447. Avril Lavigne
448. Brandy
449. Chappell Roan
450. Boy George/Culture Club
451. LCD Soundsystem
452. Bon Iver
453. Supertramp
454. Gnarls Barkley
455. EPMD
456. The Sonics
457. Nelly Furtado
458. The Pointer Sisters
459. *NSYNC
460. DMX
461. The Black Keys
462. Jack Scott
463. Tommy James & the Shondells
464. Ben E. King
465. Pulp
466. Larry Williams
467. The Chi-Lites
468. The Delfonics
469. Huey "Piano" Smith & His Clowns
470. Traffic
471. Sparks
472. Kurtis Blow
473. Primal Scream
474. The Cadillacs
475. Nick Drake
476. Junior Walker & the All Stars
477. Lee Dorsey
478. Ricky Martin
479. Sonny & Cher
480. Sam the Sham & the Pharaohs
481. Paul Revere & the Raiders
482. Madness
483. Dinosaur Jr.
484. Wilco
485. Kings of Leon
486. Yeah Yeah Yeahs
487. Free
488. Procol Harum
489. XTC
490. Talk Talk
491. Scott Walker/The Walker Brothers
492. Gang Starr
493. Common
494. Blue Cheer
495. Pantera
496. Blood, Sweat & Tears
497. The Zombies
498. Cameo
499. The Fall
500. Beach House
501. Migos
502. Pusha T/Clipse
503. The Five Keys
504. Bauhaus
505. Public Image Ltd.
506. Billy Idol/Generation X
507. Queens of the Stone Age
508. Johnny Rivers
509. The Gap Band
510. Dr. John

[Tim]

Geto Boys
Go-Go's
Jane's Addiction
Jungle Brothers
Kool G Rap & DJ Polo
Kool Moe Dee/The Treacherous Three
Little Anthony & the Imperials
Love
Darlene Love/The Blossoms/Bob B. Soxx & the Blue Jeans
Percy Mayfield

[Tim]

1. Jane's Addiction
2. Go-Go's
3. Love
4. Jungle Brothers
5. Scarface/Geto Boys
6. Kool Moe Dee/The Treacherous Three
7. Kool G Rap (& DJ Polo)
8. Little Anthony & the Imperials
9. Darlene Love/The Blossoms/Bob B. Soxx & the Blue Jeans
10. Percy Mayfield

[pauldrach]

The question for Darlene Love is: Do the miscredited "He's a Rebel" and "He's Sure the Boy I Love" singles count in her favor or do they not? After all, it was The Blossoms who recorded them. The Crystals had nothing to do with it.

[Tim]

A bit of unusual situation but I'd count it for Love (and discount it for Crystals) Think it changes her placement within this group?